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Most of the EU countries has stopped issuing visas. We’re really stuck between two equally hostile political forces pursuing their interests.
by achikin 5y ago
Most of the EU countries has stopped issuing visas. We’re really stuck between two equally hostile political forces pursuing their interests.
- gassius 5y agoNo. Not "equally" hostile AT ALL
- jacquesm 5y agoHere you can see how effective propaganda is. Even when the facts are there for all to see it still work to a degree that people will take those memes and spit them back out as their own.
- nobody9999 5y ago>We’re really stuck between two equally hostile political forces pursuing their interests at any cost. I know. It's awful. If we can't get Russia to stop attacking Ukraine with bombs, tanks, guns and missiles, perhaps we could convince the EU to stop bombing Ukraine? Oh, wait...
- achikin 5y agoOr we can prevent ordinary Russians from leaving the country ruining their economy at the same time, pushing them into the civil war …
- nobody9999 5y agoOne of these things is not like the others. Invading a country != denying visas to citizens of a country that's doing the invading. Stay where you are and you may be murdered by an invading force != stay where you are and deal with the results of sanctions. Both are definitely bad, but they are in no way equivalent.
- achikin 5y agoAs I have said in the comment below - for the ordinary Russian people which have nothing to do with the invasion the consequences are equally bad from the both sides.
- ImPostingOnHN 5y agosuch a claim is tantamount to saying ordinary Russian people are sociopaths who only value things in terms of how it affects them I do not think that is the case they're people, just like everyone else, and your ordinary person can obviously tell which of the two aforementioned scenarios is way, way, way worse than the other
- smt88 5y ago"Equally hostile"? Seriously?
- achikin 5y agoI can understand. You are comparing the situations in the both countries from the outside and situation in the Ukraine is much worse. But from the inside I have to face severe consequences from the both sides for what I haven't done, don't support and essentially have nothing to do with.
- smt88 5y agoOK, I see what you mean. What is severe about switching registrars for you? I know the other sanctions are extremely painful for the Russian people, but I think of it like this: you are the victim of an economic war, and it is the alternative to a physical war, where you would be bombed to death. I would say that both sides of the pain you're feeling (from NATO and from Russia) are both Putin's fault.
- shock-value 5y agoFor my personal perspective, I do have empathy for you (genuinely), but I still wholeheartedly support the forced deterioration of your economy if it either contributes to regime change or reduces your country's ability to wage conventional war (and I believe at least one of those outcomes is a plausible consequence).
- achikin 5y agoDeterioration of the economy usually leads to more war even more quickly. You can take Germany after the WWI as an example. Positive regime changes are only possible in the stable economical situation. Take me as an example - at the moment I do programming for a living. Let’s imagine I’m cut off of all the tools, customers and equipment. What would I do? I’ll probably have to work for the regime which will become the only source of the income, will get much smaller wage, work longer hours and have much less resources and influence to change the situation. We went through all this during the Soviet Union times. Such regimes benefit a lot from the isolation which allows them to turn people into slaves essentially. The idea that you can improve anything by harming people never works. Putin’s propaganda is using the same argument- they claim that they fight in the Ukraine to improve the situation in the region. I doubt you believe that.