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I am from a third party country that has absolutely nothing to do with this war, but my thought after seeing Russian civilians complain about these policies is

I am from a third party country that has absolutely nothing to do with this war, but my thought after seeing Russian civilians complain about these policies is that, they should stand up, go out of their home and complain to their government. The reason why all the world is doing this is because their freaking leader (Putin) has threatened nuclear war, and is pushing for war, invading a country. Like... hello? you have no business in any international matter (finance, sport, gaming, internet, etc) until you fix your shit in your country. So yeah, I am happy that this thing is making Russian civilians uncomfortable. Hopefully they will be uncomfortable enough so that millions of Russian citizens raise their voice and stop this madness, before it is too late.

tguvot 5y ago
putin is supposedly bunkered up in ural. not sure that population can actually achieve something. best shot is putin's sudden death from "stroke"
- xtracto 5y ago
  So... what do you think will happen if everybody (including bureaucrats) went on strike until the war/invasion ended?
  - tguvot 5y ago
    absolutely nothing. part of population is brainwashed, but in general given economy that just crashed, you can't get lower than 0... also in general, amount of stuff that is actually produced in russia... you hardly can get lower even if you strike
swagasaurus-rex 5y ago
In some places including Russia, there is punishment for speaking up and trying to fix things.
- cowvin 5y ago
  Which is why it's hilarious that Russian state propaganda says that Ukraine is a dictatorship and that they are there to liberate them. LOL
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > Which is why it's hilarious that Russian state propaganda says that Ukraine is a dictatorship and that they are there to liberate them. LOL It stopped being "hilarious" when that propaganda became the justification for a literal invasion, and now good people have to do this: https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008230025/ukraine-volunteers.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008230025/u..., https://www.nytimes.com/article/russia-invades-ukraine-photos.html https://www.nytimes.com/article/russia-invades-ukraine-photo....
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > In some places including Russia, there is punishment for speaking up and trying to fix things. If that's the case, I suppose another option is to get out and brain-drain Russia.
  - newsbinator 5y ago
    There is no attainable work visa and permanent residence permit for the masses. Nor one that covers sick elderly parents.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > There is no attainable work visa and permanent residence permit for the masses. Nor one that covers sick elderly parents. There's no perfect response here that covers all the bases and solves everything nicely.
- thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
  A state that came about because of complacency in the face of eroding freedoms. Now that state is being taken advantage of to fatally punish people who have even less ability to fix things and no option to disengage.
Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago
> you have no business in any international matter (finance, sport, gaming, internet, etc) until you fix your shit in your country. Seriously, what kind of argument is this? Have you risked your own life to complain against a dictator? I don't know, maybe you have. But >99% of the people in the West haven't. Who are you to tell another random person, who (to the best of our knowledge) hasn't done anything wrong, that they need to do that (and succeed at it, no less!) in order to enjoy "sport, gaming, internet" and other things we take for granted, just because they happened to be born in Russia? I'm from the West myself, with no relation to Russia except for some acquaintances, and despise Putin and his brutal invasion. But honestly I don't know what is the larger threat towards everything the West represents, Putin's nukes or attitudes like this (I picked your comment but there are many like it in this thread...). Denying individuals a normal life based on their place of birth and things that aren't their fault at all is just evil.
- rodgerd 5y ago
  > Seriously, what kind of argument is this? Whataboutism. It's become the main pro-Putin talking point in the last couple of days, after an abrupt drop-off when the last one (Russia will never invade, Biden is a madman, etc) abruptly stopped working.
- fastball 5y ago
  It's not really based on their place of birth? If you are a Russian outside Russia without using a Russian bank account I don't think this will effect you.
  - Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago
    Emigration is not something that should be required of a random person, though. And it can even be impossible. Tech people have it easier than average, but for most people obtaining a visa and work permit for a foreign country is out of reach. So while "place of birth" is not the exact criterion, the fact is that many Russian people are effectively being targeted by this kind of measures due to the single "sin" of having been born in Russia.
ridiculous_leke 5y ago
> So yeah, I am happy that this thing is making Russian civilians uncomfortable. Hopefully they will be uncomfortable enough so that millions of Russian citizens raise their voice and stop this madness, before it is too late. Is there a strong precedent for this? The USSR did fell due to economic hardships but a lot of factors are different when we consider Russia. A Russia with a destroyed economy will probably be just another country under Chinese sphere of influence.
dang 5y ago
> So yeah, I am happy that this thing is making Russian civilians uncomfortable You can't post like this here, regardless of how strongly you feel or how right the side you're on is. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30505468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30505468.

tguvot 5y ago

putin is supposedly bunkered up in ural. not sure that population can actually achieve something. best shot is putin's sudden death from "stroke"

xtracto 5y ago
So... what do you think will happen if everybody (including bureaucrats) went on strike until the war/invasion ended?
- tguvot 5y ago
  absolutely nothing. part of population is brainwashed, but in general given economy that just crashed, you can't get lower than 0... also in general, amount of stuff that is actually produced in russia... you hardly can get lower even if you strike

swagasaurus-rex 5y ago

In some places including Russia, there is punishment for speaking up and trying to fix things.

cowvin 5y ago
Which is why it's hilarious that Russian state propaganda says that Ukraine is a dictatorship and that they are there to liberate them. LOL
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Which is why it's hilarious that Russian state propaganda says that Ukraine is a dictatorship and that they are there to liberate them. LOL It stopped being "hilarious" when that propaganda became the justification for a literal invasion, and now good people have to do this: https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008230025/ukraine-volunteers.html https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/europe/100000008230025/u..., https://www.nytimes.com/article/russia-invades-ukraine-photos.html https://www.nytimes.com/article/russia-invades-ukraine-photo....
tablespoon 5y ago
> In some places including Russia, there is punishment for speaking up and trying to fix things. If that's the case, I suppose another option is to get out and brain-drain Russia.
- newsbinator 5y ago
  There is no attainable work visa and permanent residence permit for the masses. Nor one that covers sick elderly parents.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > There is no attainable work visa and permanent residence permit for the masses. Nor one that covers sick elderly parents. There's no perfect response here that covers all the bases and solves everything nicely.
thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
A state that came about because of complacency in the face of eroding freedoms. Now that state is being taken advantage of to fatally punish people who have even less ability to fix things and no option to disengage.

Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago

> you have no business in any international matter (finance, sport, gaming, internet, etc) until you fix your shit in your country. Seriously, what kind of argument is this? Have you risked your own life to complain against a dictator? I don't know, maybe you have. But >99% of the people in the West haven't. Who are you to tell another random person, who (to the best of our knowledge) hasn't done anything wrong, that they need to do that (and succeed at it, no less!) in order to enjoy "sport, gaming, internet" and other things we take for granted, just because they happened to be born in Russia? I'm from the West myself, with no relation to Russia except for some acquaintances, and despise Putin and his brutal invasion. But honestly I don't know what is the larger threat towards everything the West represents, Putin's nukes or attitudes like this (I picked your comment but there are many like it in this thread...). Denying individuals a normal life based on their place of birth and things that aren't their fault at all is just evil.

rodgerd 5y ago
> Seriously, what kind of argument is this? Whataboutism. It's become the main pro-Putin talking point in the last couple of days, after an abrupt drop-off when the last one (Russia will never invade, Biden is a madman, etc) abruptly stopped working.
fastball 5y ago
It's not really based on their place of birth? If you are a Russian outside Russia without using a Russian bank account I don't think this will effect you.
- Al-Khwarizmi 5y ago
  Emigration is not something that should be required of a random person, though. And it can even be impossible. Tech people have it easier than average, but for most people obtaining a visa and work permit for a foreign country is out of reach. So while "place of birth" is not the exact criterion, the fact is that many Russian people are effectively being targeted by this kind of measures due to the single "sin" of having been born in Russia.

ridiculous_leke 5y ago

> So yeah, I am happy that this thing is making Russian civilians uncomfortable. Hopefully they will be uncomfortable enough so that millions of Russian citizens raise their voice and stop this madness, before it is too late. Is there a strong precedent for this? The USSR did fell due to economic hardships but a lot of factors are different when we consider Russia. A Russia with a destroyed economy will probably be just another country under Chinese sphere of influence.

dang 5y ago

> So yeah, I am happy that this thing is making Russian civilians uncomfortable You can't post like this here, regardless of how strongly you feel or how right the side you're on is. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30505468 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30505468.