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If they're willing to terminate service for political reasons in this case, who's to say they won't do it in the future for other political reasons? Here begin

If they're willing to terminate service for political reasons in this case, who's to say they won't do it in the future for other political reasons? Here begins the slippery slope of Namecheap terminating service to those it deems "wrong". Been a happy, confident Namecheap user for a long time. Now I'm not so confident.

1270018080 5y ago
Oh you actually typed the phrase slippery slope too. You're going all in.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
This is a terrible attempt at slippery slope argumentation. Launching a major land war while pursuing nuclear escalation is a solid cliff above cancel culture.
- hereforphone 5y ago
  Are they cancelling service for the government, or individuals who happen to live in Russia?
  - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
    > individuals who happen to live in Russia? I am highly sympathetic to the plight of civilians under Putin. Good people in a bad place. But come on. Crimea was annexed almost a decade ago. The troop build-up was broadcast for months. For several days, international airlines were flying. Unlike in Ukraine, nobody is subjecting Russia’s people to mortal peril. But there is a bare minimum level of culpability that comes with nationality. Being told, with advance notice, that you need to move your domains amply clears that threshold.
    - hurflmurfl 5y ago
      > culpability that comes with nationality I thought we were over this 80 years ago
      - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > I thought we were over this 80 years ago We don't hold ordinary citizens accountable for the crimes of their country. Putin invading Ukraine doesn't justify dropping bombs on Russian homes. But culpability? For resident nationals? Unless you were a dissident or in the opposition, yes, you absolutely bear culpability. I wouldn't even go so far as to say in a moral sense. Not automatically. But at least to one's ability to interact with other countries' economies.
        ridiculous_leke 5y ago
        > But culpability? For resident nationals? Unless you were a dissident or in the opposition, yes, you absolutely bear culpability. I wouldn't even go so far as to say in a moral sense. Not automatically. But at least to one's ability to interact with other countries' economies. Maybe you are right. But holding ordinary citizens accountable doesn't always work the way we want. That's exactly what the West did with Germans after World War 1.
        silvester23 5y ago
        It depends on what you mean by "holding accountable" Germany was financially crippled and mostly demilitarized after WW1 which of course hugely affected the population. But in terms of _actually_ holding people personally accountable, there was a much stronger and organized effort after WW2, see e.g. [0]. I think that worked out rather okay. So I don't think it's quite as simple as saying it doesn't work. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
    - anonymoushn 5y ago
      Our Russian contractor has been attempting to emigrate for most of his life, and he has a leg up on the rest of the people in the country because he lives in a border town and his family is historically from Poland. That he has not succeeded should maybe tell us something about how easy this sort of thing is. Also, if you are a U.S. citizen and you would not like to support the droning of weddings and the indefinite detention and torture of taxicab drivers at Guantanamo Bay, you need to pay $150,000 or so to Saint Kitts or some similar country to buy a citizenship so that you can end your relationship with the IRS.
- effnamecheap 5y ago
- sbst32 5y ago
  (I am residing in Russia, anti-war, anti-regime and don't have any domains with Namecheap) Launching a major land war: let's take the Iraq operation for instance. Did any private company cut ties with its US customers over that? I really doubt it. Could an ordinary US citizen realistically do something to prevent the Iraq war? I really doubt it. Have the Iraq war lead to anything good? I don't think so. Death, destruction and ISIS.
- anonymoushn 5y ago
  The U.S. killed like 2 million civilians on the Korean peninsula and Japan slaughtered about 200,000 civilians in a major city in China. U.S. and Japanese subscribers to this service should watch out. I should be especially concerned, as a U.S. subscriber living in Japan.
xtracto 5y ago
I mean... I would be OK if namecheap decides to terminate the service for other countries that threat the world with nuclear bombs. I think that's a whole different level.
- calculatte 5y ago
  But countries that constantly drop non-nuclear bombs on other countries and murder civilians and children are still cool, right? USA only averages 46 strikes per day for the past 20 years. So maybe the cutoff is at 50.
  - sidibe 5y ago
    Majority of employees being Ukrainian seems to be a major factor here. Maybe if they were based in Iraq they would have cut off the USA then too.
    - calculatte 5y ago
    - dingoegret12 5y ago
      This isn't just about them. This is happening to Russians with nearly every western based service. There are Russians stuck in the EU because their credit card company blacklisted them. Where was this energy when the US was taking a flamethrower to the entire Middle East region? Really eye opening and I'll never forget this.
      - sidibe 5y ago
        Yeah it's not all about them but you can bet the employees were wanting as big a reaction as the company could give after they are being invaded. Can't expect fully measured responses, in the end this is a relatively little disruption compared to what they're going through
      - wlarusfromspace 5y ago
gruez 5y ago
ecf 5y ago
Oh no! Will somebody please think of the domains?! /s
root_axis 5y ago
Literally everyone is willing to terminate services for political reasons given the right reasons for their politics. If Russia was invading a city where you or your coworkers were working and your employer decided to stop doing business with them, I think you might be more forgiving
Glyptodon 5y ago
Putin going Hitler doesn't seem like a slippery slope, it's surprising they're even able to legally continue business relationships with Russian customers at this point.
robryan 5y ago
If Australia invades New Zealand I am happy for them to cut me off.
thrwyoilarticle 5y ago
The problem with the slippery slope fallacy is that it goes both ways. If they're not able to suspend service during a war of conquest on the home of their employees, when can they?
coffeefirst 5y ago
I see you've discovered moral relativism.
ratg13 5y ago
Personally I'd hope that anyone that gets their offices bombed by another nation would stop and think critically about how much they want to support the people trying to literally kill them. Profit isn't everything.
newbie789 5y ago
awb 5y ago

1270018080 5y ago

Oh you actually typed the phrase slippery slope too. You're going all in.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

This is a terrible attempt at slippery slope argumentation. Launching a major land war while pursuing nuclear escalation is a solid cliff above cancel culture.

hereforphone 5y ago
Are they cancelling service for the government, or individuals who happen to live in Russia?
- JumpCrisscross 5y ago
  > individuals who happen to live in Russia? I am highly sympathetic to the plight of civilians under Putin. Good people in a bad place. But come on. Crimea was annexed almost a decade ago. The troop build-up was broadcast for months. For several days, international airlines were flying. Unlike in Ukraine, nobody is subjecting Russia’s people to mortal peril. But there is a bare minimum level of culpability that comes with nationality. Being told, with advance notice, that you need to move your domains amply clears that threshold.
  - hurflmurfl 5y ago
    > culpability that comes with nationality I thought we were over this 80 years ago
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > I thought we were over this 80 years ago We don't hold ordinary citizens accountable for the crimes of their country. Putin invading Ukraine doesn't justify dropping bombs on Russian homes. But culpability? For resident nationals? Unless you were a dissident or in the opposition, yes, you absolutely bear culpability. I wouldn't even go so far as to say in a moral sense. Not automatically. But at least to one's ability to interact with other countries' economies.
      - ridiculous_leke 5y ago
        > But culpability? For resident nationals? Unless you were a dissident or in the opposition, yes, you absolutely bear culpability. I wouldn't even go so far as to say in a moral sense. Not automatically. But at least to one's ability to interact with other countries' economies. Maybe you are right. But holding ordinary citizens accountable doesn't always work the way we want. That's exactly what the West did with Germans after World War 1.
        silvester23 5y ago
        It depends on what you mean by "holding accountable" Germany was financially crippled and mostly demilitarized after WW1 which of course hugely affected the population. But in terms of _actually_ holding people personally accountable, there was a much stronger and organized effort after WW2, see e.g. [0]. I think that worked out rather okay. So I don't think it's quite as simple as saying it doesn't work. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification
  - anonymoushn 5y ago
    Our Russian contractor has been attempting to emigrate for most of his life, and he has a leg up on the rest of the people in the country because he lives in a border town and his family is historically from Poland. That he has not succeeded should maybe tell us something about how easy this sort of thing is. Also, if you are a U.S. citizen and you would not like to support the droning of weddings and the indefinite detention and torture of taxicab drivers at Guantanamo Bay, you need to pay $150,000 or so to Saint Kitts or some similar country to buy a citizenship so that you can end your relationship with the IRS.
effnamecheap 5y ago
sbst32 5y ago
(I am residing in Russia, anti-war, anti-regime and don't have any domains with Namecheap) Launching a major land war: let's take the Iraq operation for instance. Did any private company cut ties with its US customers over that? I really doubt it. Could an ordinary US citizen realistically do something to prevent the Iraq war? I really doubt it. Have the Iraq war lead to anything good? I don't think so. Death, destruction and ISIS.
anonymoushn 5y ago
The U.S. killed like 2 million civilians on the Korean peninsula and Japan slaughtered about 200,000 civilians in a major city in China. U.S. and Japanese subscribers to this service should watch out. I should be especially concerned, as a U.S. subscriber living in Japan.

xtracto 5y ago

I mean... I would be OK if namecheap decides to terminate the service for other countries that threat the world with nuclear bombs. I think that's a whole different level.

calculatte 5y ago
But countries that constantly drop non-nuclear bombs on other countries and murder civilians and children are still cool, right? USA only averages 46 strikes per day for the past 20 years. So maybe the cutoff is at 50.
- sidibe 5y ago
  Majority of employees being Ukrainian seems to be a major factor here. Maybe if they were based in Iraq they would have cut off the USA then too.
  - calculatte 5y ago
  - dingoegret12 5y ago
    This isn't just about them. This is happening to Russians with nearly every western based service. There are Russians stuck in the EU because their credit card company blacklisted them. Where was this energy when the US was taking a flamethrower to the entire Middle East region? Really eye opening and I'll never forget this.
    - sidibe 5y ago
      Yeah it's not all about them but you can bet the employees were wanting as big a reaction as the company could give after they are being invaded. Can't expect fully measured responses, in the end this is a relatively little disruption compared to what they're going through
    - wlarusfromspace 5y ago

gruez 5y ago

ecf 5y ago

Oh no! Will somebody please think of the domains?! /s

root_axis 5y ago

Literally everyone is willing to terminate services for political reasons given the right reasons for their politics. If Russia was invading a city where you or your coworkers were working and your employer decided to stop doing business with them, I think you might be more forgiving

Glyptodon 5y ago

Putin going Hitler doesn't seem like a slippery slope, it's surprising they're even able to legally continue business relationships with Russian customers at this point.

robryan 5y ago

If Australia invades New Zealand I am happy for them to cut me off.

thrwyoilarticle 5y ago

The problem with the slippery slope fallacy is that it goes both ways. If they're not able to suspend service during a war of conquest on the home of their employees, when can they?

coffeefirst 5y ago

I see you've discovered moral relativism.

ratg13 5y ago

Personally I'd hope that anyone that gets their offices bombed by another nation would stop and think critically about how much they want to support the people trying to literally kill them. Profit isn't everything.

newbie789 5y ago

awb 5y ago