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I believe we should start a group lawsuit against Namecheap in US courts. The damage they will make will be much, MUCH greater than a domain name renewal cost.

I believe we should start a group lawsuit against Namecheap in US courts. The damage they will make will be much, MUCH greater than a domain name renewal cost. We didn't violate a single point of the agreement and nobody of us is in US SDN list. This specific company think it can fuck a contract just because they want and we should stop this. Internet is a territory of freedom where we do not sort people.

vmception 5y ago
Do it, its a good time as any to remind people that “using their platform” is a two way street
NamecheapCEO 5y ago
We have every right to choose who we do or don't do business with. We are a private company and are protected as such. If you need more time to move away, reach out.
- Russian 5y ago
  You are wrong. You can decline to renew a contract but you can't just drop an active one without consequences. We will teach you to respect the law and contracts.
- Bluesboy 5y ago
- can16358p 5y ago
  How do you think this will affect trust of your customers? Not flaming, genuine question. Not Russian here though as a paying (and recommending) customer for Namecheap I can't think of the fact that someday I might be falling into a specific identity (nationality or otherwise) that Namecheap might suddenly stop doing business with even if I share the same views with NC, losing me at least hours and money for moving out of NC.
  - genocidicbunny 5y ago
    I don't see why this action would affect your decision. Factoring in the risk that a business might suddenly stop wanting to interact with you has _always_ been part of the calculus. Private businesses are free to choose who they do business with. Getting randomly cut off has always been a possibility.
    - eindiran 5y ago
      > I don't see why this action would affect your decision. Factoring in the risk that a business might suddenly stop wanting to interact with you has _always_ been part of the calculus. Because seeing this actually play out means that everyone should update their priors about how probable those risks are? Getting randomly cut off has always been a possibility, but the probability in everyone's priors just went way up.
      - genocidicbunny 5y ago
        Not really? If you were operating in a country that has been rather openly hostile to the west and Ukraine, and you were relying on a company that was based in the west and had many Ukrainian employees, and you didn't have a contingency plan for things heating up between those countries, you weren't paying attention. This isn't a random cutoff. This is being cut off because the country you operate in is engaging in open hostilities against another country. That should be an entirely expected and planned for scenario when hostilities are growing.
        eindiran 5y ago
        I don't know how to respond to this because you are responding to the particulars of this decision (which aren't relevant to people that don't live in Russia) without looking at what it represents. NC's willingness to do this in this case means that everyone needs to update their priors about when else they might do something similar. When people have been historically principled about something but take an allegedly one time stance against the principle, you update your priors. I don't know what else to tell you lol. > This is being cut off because the country you operate in is engaging in open hostilities against another country. Why do you think I live/operate a business in Russia lol. Literally nothing I have said or done in this thread suggests that.
- WaitWaitWha 5y ago
  But, you had a contractual agreement with them.
  - saalweachter 5y ago
    And every contract not written by a ten year old has a termination clause. It's one of the most important parts of the contract; you should always make a point of reading it thoroughly even if you skim some of the rest.
    - WaitWaitWha 5y ago
      You mean this part from https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreement/ https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreeme... ? >Namecheap Rights. We may reject your domain name registration application or elect to discontinue providing Service(s) to you for any reason within 30 days of a Service initiation or a Service renewal. Outside of this period, we may terminate or suspend the Service(s) at any time for cause, which, without limitation, includes registration of prohibited domain name(s), abuse of the Services, payment irregularities, material allegations of illegal conduct, or if your use of the Services involves us in a violation of any Internet Service Provider's ("ISP's") acceptable use policies, including the transmission of unsolicited bulk email in violation of the law. I fail to see where it includes how Namecheap reacted.
      - saalweachter 5y ago
        The other important parts are section 2, "Changes to agreement" and section 29, "Governing law and jurisdiction for disputes". One option is that Namecheap considers this a termination "for cause" (because they no longer want to do business in Russia). If you disagree that that is a valid cause, you agree to resolve the matter in the Arizona, without the use of a jury trial (section 29). Another option is that they consider this a "change of agreement" "in response to changes in the requirements of governments and administrative bodies, legislation and changes in the nature of industry"; in that case, "your exclusive remedy is to transfer your domain name registration services to another registrar".
kaziboxa 5y ago

vmception 5y ago

Do it, its a good time as any to remind people that “using their platform” is a two way street

NamecheapCEO 5y ago

We have every right to choose who we do or don't do business with. We are a private company and are protected as such. If you need more time to move away, reach out.

Russian 5y ago
You are wrong. You can decline to renew a contract but you can't just drop an active one without consequences. We will teach you to respect the law and contracts.
Bluesboy 5y ago
can16358p 5y ago
How do you think this will affect trust of your customers? Not flaming, genuine question. Not Russian here though as a paying (and recommending) customer for Namecheap I can't think of the fact that someday I might be falling into a specific identity (nationality or otherwise) that Namecheap might suddenly stop doing business with even if I share the same views with NC, losing me at least hours and money for moving out of NC.
- genocidicbunny 5y ago
  I don't see why this action would affect your decision. Factoring in the risk that a business might suddenly stop wanting to interact with you has _always_ been part of the calculus. Private businesses are free to choose who they do business with. Getting randomly cut off has always been a possibility.
  - eindiran 5y ago
    > I don't see why this action would affect your decision. Factoring in the risk that a business might suddenly stop wanting to interact with you has _always_ been part of the calculus. Because seeing this actually play out means that everyone should update their priors about how probable those risks are? Getting randomly cut off has always been a possibility, but the probability in everyone's priors just went way up.
    - genocidicbunny 5y ago
      Not really? If you were operating in a country that has been rather openly hostile to the west and Ukraine, and you were relying on a company that was based in the west and had many Ukrainian employees, and you didn't have a contingency plan for things heating up between those countries, you weren't paying attention. This isn't a random cutoff. This is being cut off because the country you operate in is engaging in open hostilities against another country. That should be an entirely expected and planned for scenario when hostilities are growing.
      - eindiran 5y ago
        I don't know how to respond to this because you are responding to the particulars of this decision (which aren't relevant to people that don't live in Russia) without looking at what it represents. NC's willingness to do this in this case means that everyone needs to update their priors about when else they might do something similar. When people have been historically principled about something but take an allegedly one time stance against the principle, you update your priors. I don't know what else to tell you lol. > This is being cut off because the country you operate in is engaging in open hostilities against another country. Why do you think I live/operate a business in Russia lol. Literally nothing I have said or done in this thread suggests that.
WaitWaitWha 5y ago
But, you had a contractual agreement with them.
- saalweachter 5y ago
  And every contract not written by a ten year old has a termination clause. It's one of the most important parts of the contract; you should always make a point of reading it thoroughly even if you skim some of the rest.
  - WaitWaitWha 5y ago
    You mean this part from https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreement/ https://www.namecheap.com/legal/domains/registration-agreeme... ? >Namecheap Rights. We may reject your domain name registration application or elect to discontinue providing Service(s) to you for any reason within 30 days of a Service initiation or a Service renewal. Outside of this period, we may terminate or suspend the Service(s) at any time for cause, which, without limitation, includes registration of prohibited domain name(s), abuse of the Services, payment irregularities, material allegations of illegal conduct, or if your use of the Services involves us in a violation of any Internet Service Provider's ("ISP's") acceptable use policies, including the transmission of unsolicited bulk email in violation of the law. I fail to see where it includes how Namecheap reacted.
    - saalweachter 5y ago
      The other important parts are section 2, "Changes to agreement" and section 29, "Governing law and jurisdiction for disputes". One option is that Namecheap considers this a termination "for cause" (because they no longer want to do business in Russia). If you disagree that that is a valid cause, you agree to resolve the matter in the Arizona, without the use of a jury trial (section 29). Another option is that they consider this a "change of agreement" "in response to changes in the requirements of governments and administrative bodies, legislation and changes in the nature of industry"; in that case, "your exclusive remedy is to transfer your domain name registration services to another registrar".

kaziboxa 5y ago