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> You can safely assume most of the major players have thought through ideas like this and abandoned them for good reasons I'd LOVE to hear the reasons why thi

> You can safely assume most of the major players have thought through ideas like this and abandoned them for good reasons I'd LOVE to hear the reasons why this system won't work. If it is something other than all the big car companies refuse play nice with each other I will be SHOCKED.

jowday 5y ago
I mean, I described the reason. The other thing is that perception the way you’re thinking about it isn’t a huge problem for AVs. They’re generally able to recognize all of the objects and elements they need to from their onboard sensors. The problem is a lack of deeper understanding of what they’re seeing, not a lack of viewing angles or range. And more range/angles won’t fix that.
sonofhans 5y ago
Let’s assume your proposal — wires in the road to aid lane-keeping — works perfectly. What does it get us aside from lane-keeping? That’s far from the hardest problem. It doesn’t account for stopped vehicles, cyclists, pedestrians, deer, or any of the other things human drivers commonly encounter and avoid without fanfare. Even if we imagine some sort of car-utopia where only AV vehicles are allowed on your perfect roads it doesn’t account for common vehicle malfunctions like blown tires. You shouldn’t IMO scope the problem only to lane-keeping. That’s a very small part of the problem space. Solutions aimed at only that problem still leave the most important problems untouched.
- jklinger410 5y ago
  > What does it get us aside from lane-keeping? Corner identifying, light changing, cross-walk identifying, speed limits, addresses. Not to mention, if the car can't mistake a hunched over person on the side of the road as a curb (because the curb identifies itself) it makes everything else easier to identify. More computation can be freed up to identify things that ARE NOT KNOWN if there is something that IS known.

jowday 5y ago

I mean, I described the reason. The other thing is that perception the way you’re thinking about it isn’t a huge problem for AVs. They’re generally able to recognize all of the objects and elements they need to from their onboard sensors. The problem is a lack of deeper understanding of what they’re seeing, not a lack of viewing angles or range. And more range/angles won’t fix that.

sonofhans 5y ago

Let’s assume your proposal — wires in the road to aid lane-keeping — works perfectly. What does it get us aside from lane-keeping? That’s far from the hardest problem. It doesn’t account for stopped vehicles, cyclists, pedestrians, deer, or any of the other things human drivers commonly encounter and avoid without fanfare. Even if we imagine some sort of car-utopia where only AV vehicles are allowed on your perfect roads it doesn’t account for common vehicle malfunctions like blown tires. You shouldn’t IMO scope the problem only to lane-keeping. That’s a very small part of the problem space. Solutions aimed at only that problem still leave the most important problems untouched.

jklinger410 5y ago
> What does it get us aside from lane-keeping? Corner identifying, light changing, cross-walk identifying, speed limits, addresses. Not to mention, if the car can't mistake a hunched over person on the side of the road as a curb (because the curb identifies itself) it makes everything else easier to identify. More computation can be freed up to identify things that ARE NOT KNOWN if there is something that IS known.