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Given that Russian vodka is blacklisted from stores in USA (and Finland!) and replaced with message "we stand with Ukraine", it's not really surprising. I read

by tguvot 5y ago

Given that Russian vodka is blacklisted from stores in USA (and Finland!) and replaced with message "we stand with Ukraine", it's not really surprising. I read interview with somebody from Russia yesterday, russian tracks getting their tires punctured in EU and get stuck because credit cards don't work anymore. Ships refuse to offload goods in Russian ports and drop them of "wherever in Europe". Russian companies can't buy/rent containers to bring goods to Russia. It's a lot of collateral damage. On the other side my brothers in law family in Kharkiv sleeps in hallway for past few days while outside blow up cluster munition delivered by MLRS systems https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1498271572292952064?s=20&t=KXLkE4_FXvpdFTG-f6HvVA https://twitter.com/YWNReporter/status/1498271572292952064?s... Edit: just to add, I myself was born in Kyiv. Company where I work now has officies both in Ukraine (in one of hotter places) and in russia. I am equally trying to help my colleagues from both offices to GTFO. Collateral damage is unfortunate for private person but frankly not surprising. What is "surprising" it's that a big chunk of Russian population is surprised by it

xfitm3 5y ago
Truly awful. If you listen to Russian news (propaganda) they're claiming Ukranians want Russia to come liberate them and save them from poor living conditions. It's almost as if they forgot that people have the internet.
- tguvot 5y ago
  Internet doesn't help. I saw screenshots of bunch of chats between relatives in Ukraine and Russia in first couple of days. People from Russia claim that Ukrainians are brainwashed, russia comes to liberate them and only neo-nazis are fighting back and shooting into cities. There is also articles on official new sites (like RIA) that neo-nazis are executing Ukranian Military personal that doesn't want to fight. Internet doesn't help. It's all about bubble... As very unpleasant example, my father who lived most of his live in Kyiv but lives in Germany for past 15 years or so, is consuming only russian media. He is sure that Ukraine is ruled by neo-nazis from bunkers in Kyiv and whatever Russia is doing it's appropriate. This was his opinion after first day. Don't think that it changed
  - brandonbloom 5y ago
    > Internet doesn't help. Just ask anyone who has moved to Seattle, but has conservative family back in their home state. Folks believe we live in an anarchist hellscape. Myself and several friends have had the experience of being called liars by family members who trust Fox News over the word of their blood relatives. It's absolutely maddening.
    - honkdaddy 5y ago
      I actually moved out of Seattle after 4 months in 2021 because compared to the cities I was used to in Canada, it was quite literally a hellscape. Shuttered stores, screaming homeless people, and parks which resemble refugee camps. I understand it was exacerbated by covid and the BLM riots of 2020, but I don’t think people are exaggerating when they say that much of Seattle is a pretty shocking place to be.
    - lijogdfljk 5y ago
      I mean, Seattle is a hellscape to me lol. I mostly kid, i live south of Tacoma, i just hate the homeless problem in Olympia, Seattle. The roads in southern Seattle also make me want to die hah. Anyway, just making local-jokes mostly. Not actually attacking Seattle :) edit: Is it because i was kidding, or is very mild criticism of Seattle not appreciated? It's not like i live in Texas and have never been there lol.
      - mod 5y ago
        I think it's because it is off topic, and also HN generally does not like humor, unless it's particularly clever.
        lijogdfljk 5y ago
        Fair, thanks for the reply. It was only half humor though, as a local i do genuinely hate much of the city. However, i'm not "city local" if that makes sense. But it's not unique to Seattle. Tacoma and Olympia (where i live) is bad too. Cities just suck these days it seems.
- lowbloodsugar 5y ago
  The internet, right? How else will they learn that President Trump (not the illegitimate so-called-president Biden) supports our great leader Putin!
exizt88 5y ago
I don't understand how "collateral damage" is relevant. Aren't people supposed to minimize collateral damage? Namecheap didn't HAVE to do this. The chose to do this in a very particular way, which hurt its customers, especially those opposing Putin's regime and currently fleeing the country.
- NamecheapCEO 5y ago
  I'd be open to making exceptions in cases that are anti-regime.
  - gruez 5y ago
    That sounds very "you're either against us or with us".
    - mattnewton 5y ago
      Yes, this happens very quickly in war time.
    - user-the-name 5y ago
      No, it sounds like a superpower attacked a sovereign country for no other reason than conquest, and we all do what we can to fight back.
    - jacquesm 5y ago
      The middle ground is an infinitesimal wide line between Russia and Ukraine called 'the border', and more accurately the line is right now around Russia, Belarus and Chechnya soon to follow. If you are on the other side of that line then you will suffer economically, but not nearly as much as when you are inside Ukraine where you could very well lose your life.
      - tguvot 5y ago
        Chechnya it's actually part of russia
traveller_aa 5y ago
elliekelly 5y ago
Putin has really been playing up the West’s “Russophobia” leading up to the invasion and I worry that social media has caused some of these “sanctions” to get out of hand really quickly with everyone piling on to the point some of the actions are, indeed, Russophobic. Cutting off service for Russian people who aren’t even living in Russia seems like it crosses that line to me.
- trymas 5y ago
  Unfortunately this is a double edged sword. Many times the West was very hesitant on acting against russia's shenanigans (most notably Georgia and Crimea), because "it will hurt the common person and not those who are making decisions". Now russia is in de facto conventional war with Ukraine and in information/business war with __all__ of the West. putin is out of ideas and freaking blasting cities with bombs like it's London 1940. The West is still not enganging russia in conventional war, due to nukes, but if it's war why one side needs to cry, run, starve and die, when other nation can sit by their propaganda tv and eat the kool-aid. In this new information age it's the only possible resistance against the regime - Iron Curtain 2.0. The West cannot win informational war inside russia. Those who know english and know how to use internet are mostly young Moscovites, everyone else is sucked into propaganda, there's not enough critical mass. Propaganda is at the same level that Germans did not know or believe that there are concentration camps next door. Either topple the regime, leave [0] or be living under Iron Curtain 2.0 stand in lines for bread with your money that are worthless. I believe the West tried for the longest time not to play into this "russophobia" card. The sanctions definitely work together with russian propaganda ("look wht those evil gay nazi imperialist west are doing for simple russian people"). And for the longest time big players like DE, UK, FR did not understand putin, compared to how post-soviet countries like the Baltics and Poland warned. DE for the longest time that you can work with putin like any other liberal democratic leader. Now all this is in the trash and everyone is united against putin. I am repeating myself - but I guess it's the only way to work against putin. Conventional war with other superpowers will most likely mean nukes, i.e. end of the human world. [0] I bet many young people from Moscow or Peter will attempt to do this.
WatchDog 5y ago
Not that it makes a whole lot of difference, but those explosions don't appear to cluster munitions. Probably some kind of fragmentation rocket fired from a grad[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad
- tguvot 5y ago
  They been finding cassetes. Most likely uragan. grad is more straight-forward. Also in another bombardment were found scattered around those lovely things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1 . It's also been shot by uragan
- megous 5y ago
  These do look like submunitions, though: https://twitter.com/_____Tweety____/status/1498384301829894144 https://twitter.com/_____Tweety____/status/14983843018298941... At least I don't see any rockets in any of the frames. And the explosions don't seem that big.
  - WatchDog 5y ago
    With a cluster bomb/submunitions, you should see a bunch of impacts all at the same time, in this video the impacts all seem to be spaced apart at a rate similar to the fire rate of a grad. With the frame rate and resolution of the video, it isn't surprising that it's hard to see a rocket. The rockets look like fragmentation warheads, you can see a lot of shrapnel get thrown off on each impact, frag explosions won't look as large or bright as other kinds of HE warheads.
    - megous 5y ago
      Do non-submunition warheads separate from the rocket in the air? Because rockets are 3m long, and I don't think they'd just disappear after the warhead explosion. In other videos you could see rocket bodies sticking from the pavement after impact, etc. Anyway, I guess you're right. Even if this was edge of the killing field with a mix of submunitions from various rockets fired at different times, there's be a lot of noise in the video from the other submunitions hitting nearby.

by tguvot 5y ago

xfitm3 5y ago

Truly awful. If you listen to Russian news (propaganda) they're claiming Ukranians want Russia to come liberate them and save them from poor living conditions. It's almost as if they forgot that people have the internet.

tguvot 5y ago
Internet doesn't help. I saw screenshots of bunch of chats between relatives in Ukraine and Russia in first couple of days. People from Russia claim that Ukrainians are brainwashed, russia comes to liberate them and only neo-nazis are fighting back and shooting into cities. There is also articles on official new sites (like RIA) that neo-nazis are executing Ukranian Military personal that doesn't want to fight. Internet doesn't help. It's all about bubble... As very unpleasant example, my father who lived most of his live in Kyiv but lives in Germany for past 15 years or so, is consuming only russian media. He is sure that Ukraine is ruled by neo-nazis from bunkers in Kyiv and whatever Russia is doing it's appropriate. This was his opinion after first day. Don't think that it changed
- brandonbloom 5y ago
  > Internet doesn't help. Just ask anyone who has moved to Seattle, but has conservative family back in their home state. Folks believe we live in an anarchist hellscape. Myself and several friends have had the experience of being called liars by family members who trust Fox News over the word of their blood relatives. It's absolutely maddening.
  - honkdaddy 5y ago
    I actually moved out of Seattle after 4 months in 2021 because compared to the cities I was used to in Canada, it was quite literally a hellscape. Shuttered stores, screaming homeless people, and parks which resemble refugee camps. I understand it was exacerbated by covid and the BLM riots of 2020, but I don’t think people are exaggerating when they say that much of Seattle is a pretty shocking place to be.
  - lijogdfljk 5y ago
    I mean, Seattle is a hellscape to me lol. I mostly kid, i live south of Tacoma, i just hate the homeless problem in Olympia, Seattle. The roads in southern Seattle also make me want to die hah. Anyway, just making local-jokes mostly. Not actually attacking Seattle :) edit: Is it because i was kidding, or is very mild criticism of Seattle not appreciated? It's not like i live in Texas and have never been there lol.
    - mod 5y ago
      I think it's because it is off topic, and also HN generally does not like humor, unless it's particularly clever.
      - lijogdfljk 5y ago
        Fair, thanks for the reply. It was only half humor though, as a local i do genuinely hate much of the city. However, i'm not "city local" if that makes sense. But it's not unique to Seattle. Tacoma and Olympia (where i live) is bad too. Cities just suck these days it seems.
lowbloodsugar 5y ago
The internet, right? How else will they learn that President Trump (not the illegitimate so-called-president Biden) supports our great leader Putin!

exizt88 5y ago

I don't understand how "collateral damage" is relevant. Aren't people supposed to minimize collateral damage? Namecheap didn't HAVE to do this. The chose to do this in a very particular way, which hurt its customers, especially those opposing Putin's regime and currently fleeing the country.

NamecheapCEO 5y ago
I'd be open to making exceptions in cases that are anti-regime.
- gruez 5y ago
  That sounds very "you're either against us or with us".
  - mattnewton 5y ago
    Yes, this happens very quickly in war time.
  - user-the-name 5y ago
    No, it sounds like a superpower attacked a sovereign country for no other reason than conquest, and we all do what we can to fight back.
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    The middle ground is an infinitesimal wide line between Russia and Ukraine called 'the border', and more accurately the line is right now around Russia, Belarus and Chechnya soon to follow. If you are on the other side of that line then you will suffer economically, but not nearly as much as when you are inside Ukraine where you could very well lose your life.
    - tguvot 5y ago
      Chechnya it's actually part of russia

traveller_aa 5y ago

elliekelly 5y ago

Putin has really been playing up the West’s “Russophobia” leading up to the invasion and I worry that social media has caused some of these “sanctions” to get out of hand really quickly with everyone piling on to the point some of the actions are, indeed, Russophobic. Cutting off service for Russian people who aren’t even living in Russia seems like it crosses that line to me.

trymas 5y ago
Unfortunately this is a double edged sword. Many times the West was very hesitant on acting against russia's shenanigans (most notably Georgia and Crimea), because "it will hurt the common person and not those who are making decisions". Now russia is in de facto conventional war with Ukraine and in information/business war with __all__ of the West. putin is out of ideas and freaking blasting cities with bombs like it's London 1940. The West is still not enganging russia in conventional war, due to nukes, but if it's war why one side needs to cry, run, starve and die, when other nation can sit by their propaganda tv and eat the kool-aid. In this new information age it's the only possible resistance against the regime - Iron Curtain 2.0. The West cannot win informational war inside russia. Those who know english and know how to use internet are mostly young Moscovites, everyone else is sucked into propaganda, there's not enough critical mass. Propaganda is at the same level that Germans did not know or believe that there are concentration camps next door. Either topple the regime, leave [0] or be living under Iron Curtain 2.0 stand in lines for bread with your money that are worthless. I believe the West tried for the longest time not to play into this "russophobia" card. The sanctions definitely work together with russian propaganda ("look wht those evil gay nazi imperialist west are doing for simple russian people"). And for the longest time big players like DE, UK, FR did not understand putin, compared to how post-soviet countries like the Baltics and Poland warned. DE for the longest time that you can work with putin like any other liberal democratic leader. Now all this is in the trash and everyone is united against putin. I am repeating myself - but I guess it's the only way to work against putin. Conventional war with other superpowers will most likely mean nukes, i.e. end of the human world. [0] I bet many young people from Moscow or Peter will attempt to do this.

WatchDog 5y ago

Not that it makes a whole lot of difference, but those explosions don't appear to cluster munitions. Probably some kind of fragmentation rocket fired from a grad[0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21_Grad

tguvot 5y ago
They been finding cassetes. Most likely uragan. grad is more straight-forward. Also in another bombardment were found scattered around those lovely things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PFM-1 . It's also been shot by uragan
megous 5y ago
These do look like submunitions, though: https://twitter.com/_____Tweety____/status/1498384301829894144 https://twitter.com/_____Tweety____/status/14983843018298941... At least I don't see any rockets in any of the frames. And the explosions don't seem that big.
- WatchDog 5y ago
  With a cluster bomb/submunitions, you should see a bunch of impacts all at the same time, in this video the impacts all seem to be spaced apart at a rate similar to the fire rate of a grad. With the frame rate and resolution of the video, it isn't surprising that it's hard to see a rocket. The rockets look like fragmentation warheads, you can see a lot of shrapnel get thrown off on each impact, frag explosions won't look as large or bright as other kinds of HE warheads.
  - megous 5y ago
    Do non-submunition warheads separate from the rocket in the air? Because rockets are 3m long, and I don't think they'd just disappear after the warhead explosion. In other videos you could see rocket bodies sticking from the pavement after impact, etc. Anyway, I guess you're right. Even if this was edge of the killing field with a mix of submunitions from various rockets fired at different times, there's be a lot of noise in the video from the other submunitions hitting nearby.