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This is why, for the laymen, this shit is so hard. There are a lot of doctors, scientists, and academics who have gone all in on veganism, keto-based diets, pa
by loudtieblahblah 5y ago
This is why, for the laymen, this shit is so hard.
There are a lot of doctors, scientists, and academics who have gone all in on veganism, keto-based diets, paleo diets, and even carnviore. They have blogs, forums, youtube channels, etc..
They're all very smart people be it Dr Greger as a vegan or say (Dr.) Shawn Baker as a carnivore. Or Eric Berg (pro-veggie heavy keto and fasting) but they all have these massive blind spots. They all cherry pick studies and data that verify their diet of choice
they all love poor studies that contradict their findings because they go "see this is the type of stuff the media latches on to and makes you stray from the faith!" It gives them easy targets to take down.
Some get so wrapped up in their grants and book deals, when new information comes around they double down to save their reputation and livelihood (See David Sinclair regarding resveratrol )
And they all avoid information that contradict their recommendations or will flat out lie.
Vegans repeating falsehoods about meat by peddling studies of "meat eaters" having cancer or high blood pressure or this or that, without looking at other confounding factors (dietary or otherwise) is a common tactic.
Carnivores go down the lecithin rabbit hole to the point it seems like a conspiracy theory. They over-exaggerate anti-nutrients in foods, every time they can stretch a truth (Goitrogens in broccoli for instance) they pounce.
Keto folks are right when they say saturated fat was UN-necessarily demonized, but they've started to have a relationship with fat like your average college stoner who wants marijuana legalization who won't shut up about it being a miracle substance with zero consequences. LDL being high can still be a problematic sign. Yes yes, there's different types of LDL and basic lipid panels don't go into the types, and just label it all "bad", but LDL being too high still risks clogged arteries.
And if the so called "leaders" and voices in these communities aren't bad enough, the communities themselves are all cults.
Every last one of them.
My rules for diets is so:
1. Don't eat too often (have more days with 1-2 meals a day than not, the occasional 3 meal a day and occasion days where you fast). Fasting is good for managing weight and blood sugar, but the killer feature of it is autophagy - a process that kicks off our body's ability to prevent cancer.
2. Eat mostly a wide variety of plants for their vitamin and phyto-nutrient profile (eat the colors of the rainbow)
3. Avoid added sodium/salt, added sugars and seed-oils (or any oil high in omega6s). This can be accomplished largely by avoiding processed/packaged/pre-made foods and not going out to eat so much. Don't eat a lot of "treats".
4. Get fats from nuts, salmon, olive oil. When cooking use Olive oil, butter, ghee, beef tallow, or coconut oil. Eat salmon 1-2x a week. Limit fatty red meat. Minimize fried foods.
5. Eat a moderate amount of protein to strike a balance between health span and lifespan.
6. Eat fermented foods. (natto, kimchi, sauerkraut, pickles, yogurt). Natto, doubly so as it's a high source of K2 (which helps calcium go where it's supposed to and the western diet is lacking in it) and nattokinase, which lowers blood pressure.
7. Eat things that lower blood pressure. (natto, garlic, beets (in moderation), flaxseed).
8. Recognize estrogenic foods have a large correlation between lifespan at the cost of testosterone and make your choice.
9. I know the idea of "super foods" gets eye rolls but some things are staples and should be: Green tea, moringa, coffee (through a paper filter), berries, broccoli sprouts (for the sulforaphane) salmon/sardines, kale/watercress/arugula, olive oil. Eat things high in spermidine. (wheat germ, mushrooms, peas).
10. The occasional glass of low-alcohol, low-sulfate red wine (i might have 1-2 on Fri and 1 on Saturday) isn't that bad, but maybe it should be done without. But then again.. i have to enjoy life somehow and somewhere.
11. Don't overdo it with anything too high in oxylates (chia, beets, black tea) and if you do, pair it with a high calcium food and in fact, always ensure you get adequate calcium to avoid kidney stones.
12. Minimize grains (breads, cereals, pasta). But if it's your kid's birthday, have a fucking cupcake or eat his favorite spaghetti dinner.
13. Don't worry about "ketosis". Just eat low carb and low-sugar and occasionally fast. You'll go in and out of ketosis naturally and metabolic flexibility is more important than pissing on a strip and seeing if you're producing ketones 100% of the time.
14. Eat things that lower uric acid, but not too much. Celery, cherries, low-fat/skim dairy.
15. Add lemon or lime to your water.
and after all of this it's exercise, sauna (associated with 40% reduction in all-cause mortality (aside from accidents, suicides, murder, etc..)), de-stress (have fun, meditate) and enjoy life to the best of your ability. foster positive relationships, get a good night's sleep. Don't do drugs, don't smoke, try to avoid toxins to the best of your ability (heavy metals, Phthalates, BPA/BPS/Badge, PFAS', etc.)
I guess if i was giving advice to others it'd be do the above, but if you're in it for weight loss, great - but don't lose too much too fast. This is huge in the keto/fasting community who want the pounds to fly off and end up with heart issues or gout or some such shit after losing 100lbs in a year. Don't do that.
And while there's a role for supplements (i take tested omega3 and vitd supplements), i think it's vital to not rely on them, to spend days doing without them, and to keep them to a minimum. You WILL eventually take one that has heavy metals. it's not regulated, not every batch of every supplement it tested. Most supplements are often going off of new science that's missing the whole picture and people again and again find they're taking stuff where future studies debunks or worse, finds it's harmful. We, often find that the poison is in the dose (4G+ of EPA Omega 3s cause heart issues).
There. That's my exhaustive list after spending 3 years of reading studies, watching youtube videos, joining communities, going keto for 6 months, going vegetarian for 3 months and vegan for 3 more, going carnivore for 3 weeks and experimenting with fasting.
- Mondialisation 5y agoHave you read the ''Adventist Health Study 2" ? It's the largest study on the subject to my knowledge and concludes an increased longevity for meat-free eating, as well as for fully plant based diets (vegans). This is the main reason why I don't see any reason to consume animal products when we know full well that it necessitates the exploitation and slaughter of sentient individuals.
- loudtieblahblah 5y agoI have heard of it and seen it cited often. I have a hard time with the Adventist studies due to their very well know and obvious bias. It's part of their religious faith that meat brings out "sinful" desires and impulses and they've been rabid activists for vegetarianism through most of the 20th century. They've influenced policy and their studies and products of companies ran by Adventists (like Kellogs) have helped us arrive at our current health predicament. This is a group of people who are ok with processed foods, seed-oils, high omega6s, as long as it verifies their faith's desire for vegetarianism. Adventist companies also used to parrot the faulty Ancnel Keys Seven Nations study because it demonized saturated fats as opposed to their precious carbs, and this has harmed us as a society, how we see nutrition, for decades and still continues to. I don't trust a thing they say, no matter how fleshed out their study is. They have an agenda,. They're not concerned about human health. Healthy eating is an exploitable byproduct to a larger end goal but the goal itself isn't health or longevity. and even without reading the study in full - the study will not account for societies with high numbers of centenarians who eat meat - Okinawa's diets are rich in pork. Spain is rich in chicken and fish. This throw a wrench in their gears no matter how large the study is. There's simply more to diet based health than adherence to cults with religious and political agendas and endless human tribalism. Additionally - if I'm not mistaken about the study itself, it is yet another observational study asking people to self-report their dietary habits. Observational studies are why nutritional science, IMHO, seems to insanely contradictory with one study seemingly stating one thing and another saying the opposite. It's why all the red and processed meat studies ended up getting thrown out. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/health/red-meat-heart-cancer.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/30/health/red-meat-heart-can...)
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