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I wonder if there's a way to cheat it by like giving a raise within like 3 months for high performance talents.

by hwers 5y ago

hunglee2 5y ago
yeah there will definitely be all sorts of ways to do it, a lot of which will need to be 'off the record', which obviously then becomes corruption. I remember supplying candidates (was once a recruitment agent for the public sector in the UK) and off the top of my head, two such work arounds were a) a promise of guaranteed promotion at first bat and b) fail the interview, hire back as even more expensive contractor. Well meaning legislation always produces outcomes like this
- voakbasda 5y ago
  Corruption is endemic everywhere. This kind of law just plays whack-a-mole, shifting the corruption elsewhere, but not actually eliminating it. Since the fish rots from the head, we are unlikely to ever see changes that eliminate corruption at its true source, imprisoning the people in power that profit from it.
  - hunglee2 5y ago
    no truer words. could be we need to rethink 'corruption', seeing as it is endemic in any system we make. It could be considered a form of hacking, which most ppl here wouldn't bat an eyelid at. Perhaps we need to 'build in' expected corrupt behaviours in systems design, seeing as we cannot eliminate we might as well manage it, maybe even make it work in the systems favour
shagie 5y ago
I worked at a company that kept all the employees as non-exempt. This meant for computer programmers, we had an hourly wage of not more than $27.63 ( https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17e-overtime-computer https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17e-overtime-co... ). However, there was also profit sharing which was based on your W2 earnings (side bit, the profit sharing went into your W2 earnings for next year and became a sort of compound interest growth). Additionally, there were "goals" and "bonuses" which could, again, give a substantial boost to the total pay but wasn't part of the stated compensation. So, yes, there are certainly ways to work around the posted salaries.

I wonder if there's a way to cheat it by like giving a raise within like 3 months for high performance talents.

by hwers 5y ago

I wonder if there's a way to cheat it by like giving a raise within like 3 months for high performance talents.

yeah there will definitely be all sorts of ways to do it, a lot of which will need to be 'off the record', which obviously then becomes corruption. I remember supplying candidates (was once a recruitment agent for the public sector in the UK) and off the top of my head, two such work arounds were a) a promise of guaranteed promotion at first bat and b) fail the interview, hire back as even more expensive contractor. Well meaning legislation always produces outcomes like this

voakbasda 5y ago
Corruption is endemic everywhere. This kind of law just plays whack-a-mole, shifting the corruption elsewhere, but not actually eliminating it. Since the fish rots from the head, we are unlikely to ever see changes that eliminate corruption at its true source, imprisoning the people in power that profit from it.
- hunglee2 5y ago
  no truer words. could be we need to rethink 'corruption', seeing as it is endemic in any system we make. It could be considered a form of hacking, which most ppl here wouldn't bat an eyelid at. Perhaps we need to 'build in' expected corrupt behaviours in systems design, seeing as we cannot eliminate we might as well manage it, maybe even make it work in the systems favour

shagie 5y ago

I worked at a company that kept all the employees as non-exempt. This meant for computer programmers, we had an hourly wage of not more than $27.63 ( https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17e-overtime-computer https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/17e-overtime-co... ). However, there was also profit sharing which was based on your W2 earnings (side bit, the profit sharing went into your W2 earnings for next year and became a sort of compound interest growth). Additionally, there were "goals" and "bonuses" which could, again, give a substantial boost to the total pay but wasn't part of the stated compensation. So, yes, there are certainly ways to work around the posted salaries.