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As compared to the Moonlander, which is what I use as my daily driver this is an improvement in some ways: wireless connectivity, possibly tenting (assuming the

by sulam 5y ago

As compared to the Moonlander, which is what I use as my daily driver this is an improvement in some ways: wireless connectivity, possibly tenting (assuming the base plate is rigid enough), but not as good in others: the thumb cluster seems strangely wide, and in the videos it seems like it operates as a combination thumb cluster / 5th row which is a nice segue to -- it's missing the fifth row. That means it's going to require layers to do most coding. Not great for me. It also seems very large, due to the way the wrist rest works. In the Moonlander that part is removable, but it seems to be part of the tenting system here. Maybe you can still remove it. Anyway, I like to try out these kinds of keyboards, but I might give this one a pass due to it not having the full complement of keys I need in one layer.

getcrunk 5y ago
What's the missing fifth tow you are referring to? The f keys
- sulam 5y ago
  Nah, F keys would be a 6th row. It shows up most acutely on the right hand, where in keyboards in this dimension you would expect to see keys underneath the series "nm,./" which might (in my configuration) look like arrow up, down, [ and ]. This is also where you would expect {} to live. Not having an easy place to put these likely means you will have to put them in a layer. Swapping to layers to do [{}] as well as moving the insertion point in text up/down is a non-starter for me.
  - samatman 5y ago
    I agree with this, I keep eyeing this keyboard (long-term ergodox user) and wanting to like it. Provisionally, I would say that adding three more keys on each side, under ./- on the right one, would make this a keyboard I would try and use. I fear even then that the ergonomics aren't really there, the one downside of the ergodox (which is why the Moonlander thumb cluster looks as it does) is that small buttons are hard to hit with the thumb, which is articulated sideways to a keyboard. Easy to sweep but difficult to select between two small targets, I'd expect to tap two keys often without a lot of practice.
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by sulam 5y ago

getcrunk 5y ago

What's the missing fifth tow you are referring to? The f keys

sulam 5y ago
Nah, F keys would be a 6th row. It shows up most acutely on the right hand, where in keyboards in this dimension you would expect to see keys underneath the series "nm,./" which might (in my configuration) look like arrow up, down, [ and ]. This is also where you would expect {} to live. Not having an easy place to put these likely means you will have to put them in a layer. Swapping to layers to do [{}] as well as moving the insertion point in text up/down is a non-starter for me.
- samatman 5y ago
  I agree with this, I keep eyeing this keyboard (long-term ergodox user) and wanting to like it. Provisionally, I would say that adding three more keys on each side, under ./- on the right one, would make this a keyboard I would try and use. I fear even then that the ergonomics aren't really there, the one downside of the ergodox (which is why the Moonlander thumb cluster looks as it does) is that small buttons are hard to hit with the thumb, which is articulated sideways to a keyboard. Easy to sweep but difficult to select between two small targets, I'd expect to tap two keys often without a lot of practice.
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