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> Shifting it to a third world country I think it's highly unlikely that Germany will offshore its Mittelstand. > The largest source of renewables is biomass.

> Shifting it to a third world country I think it's highly unlikely that Germany will offshore its Mittelstand. > The largest source of renewables is biomass. I'm not really sure what point you're making here. > Also why take this into a bizarre geopolitical tangent? This is 100% your tangent... why mention Saudi Arabia and Norway PR on an article about Germany? e: generally speaking, we're not disagreeing about much, so I think this exchange is possibly due to your confusion regarding what this article is about. You seem to think the article is primarily about Germany posturing around climate change and GHG. It's not. This article is about German energy independence and European geopolitics. This policy change was announced on the eve of war in Europe, not as a follow-up to a climate conference.

qiskit 5y ago
> I think it's highly unlikely that Germany will offshore its Mittelstand. I didn't say they will. > I'm not really sure what point you're making here. A significant portion of renewables aren't as environmentally friendly as we think. > This is 100% your tangent... why mention Saudi Arabia and Norway PR on an article about Germany? Norway releases tons of PR about how environmentally friendly they are especially by how much EVs they buy. But on a closer look, they produce as much oil as saudi arabia on a per capita basis. I picked Saudi Arabia because they are the closest per capita producers to norway. I provided the source. Sort by "per capita" and you'll see norway right below saudi arabia. I picked saudi arabia because nobody in their right mind would say saudi arabia is "environmentally friendly". And yet we pretend norway is. My point is that european countries aren't as environmentally friendly as their PR says they are. Shipping garbage to china and claiming you recycle 100% of your garbage is not environmentally friendly. Producing as much oil as saudi arabia and buying a few EVs doesn't make you environmentally friendly. Releasing PR saying you are environmentally friendly doesn't make you environmentally friendly. Not sure why you are injecting geopolitics, democracy, etc into this.

qiskit 5y ago

> I think it's highly unlikely that Germany will offshore its Mittelstand. I didn't say they will. > I'm not really sure what point you're making here. A significant portion of renewables aren't as environmentally friendly as we think. > This is 100% your tangent... why mention Saudi Arabia and Norway PR on an article about Germany? Norway releases tons of PR about how environmentally friendly they are especially by how much EVs they buy. But on a closer look, they produce as much oil as saudi arabia on a per capita basis. I picked Saudi Arabia because they are the closest per capita producers to norway. I provided the source. Sort by "per capita" and you'll see norway right below saudi arabia. I picked saudi arabia because nobody in their right mind would say saudi arabia is "environmentally friendly". And yet we pretend norway is. My point is that european countries aren't as environmentally friendly as their PR says they are. Shipping garbage to china and claiming you recycle 100% of your garbage is not environmentally friendly. Producing as much oil as saudi arabia and buying a few EVs doesn't make you environmentally friendly. Releasing PR saying you are environmentally friendly doesn't make you environmentally friendly. Not sure why you are injecting geopolitics, democracy, etc into this.