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A Winner-Takes-All MMO-SAT
- agentdrtran 5y agoI was disappointed to see MSCHF move from doing a lot of making physical stuff to making mostly raffles/lotteries like this.
- jedimastert 5y agoIt's probably a lot harder/more expensive with the state of supply chains and travel and quarantine right now. I imagine just designing at the pace they do is harder when you're not in the same physical space
- notpachet 5y agoAs the spirit wanes, the standardized test appears.
- ordinaryradical 5y agoI feel this comment isnt going to get a lot of love but appears to be saying something interesting. Can you explain it further?
- whatshisface 5y agoThe parent is saying that after the liquor runs out, cops come by with breathalyzers.
- _joel 5y agoYou are in a darkened corridor...
- CobrastanJorji 5y agoIt's an allusion to a Charles Bukowski poem called "Art": "As the spirit wanes, the form appears."
- neonate 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSCHF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSCHF
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- skulk 5y agoGiven the "no-holds-barred, first-past-the-post" nature of this, the winner will be a group of people who split the test and each solved their part.
- SteveDR 5y agoDefinitely. But how will they split the 154 questions? The prize pool is already big enough ($13k just a couple hours after the announcement and 5 days before the registration deadline) that 50 people could take it together and walk away with $260 each.
- mattigames 5y agoThey can avoid that if you have to answer the questions in order one by one, without the possibility of going back to previous questions.
- gknoy 5y agoThat would be hell. One of the best tactics I remember using on the paper one was skipping things and coming back later.
- Frost1x 5y agoCan't you just setup one sacrificial account to grab the question pool, pass it out for distribution to solve, gather it back up, then step through the question pool with the solution set? Essentially they just collect the questions and answer something knowing the run won't be a success. Unless these questions are sampled from a larger question pool, a single registration sacrifice for Intel gathering seems worth the cost. You can even distribute the loses to your pool after. Worst case scenario your group loses the admission fee + adminision fee/group size.
- shmatt 5y agoThis is the answer. * Sacrificial account crawls all the questions and puts them in queue * Team members pull questions one by one - and push answers back * Leader fills out answers as soon as the current one comes in (assuming you can't jump backwards/forwards) As long as the people are good enough at these kinds of tests, you'll win. It'll probably end up being a battle of 10+ teams that work like this
- pkage 5y agoThis are the same group that made the "satan" Nikes with Lil Nas X a few years ago[0], and the guy behind Wordle works there[1]. [0] https://www.cnn.com/style/article/lil-nas-x-mschf-satan-nike-shoes/index.html https://www.cnn.com/style/article/lil-nas-x-mschf-satan-nike... [1] https://powerlanguage.co.uk/ https://powerlanguage.co.uk/
- amazd 5y ago
- nisegami 5y agoBit off topic, but I had no idea Josh Wardle also did Place and The Button at Reddit.
- teaearlgraycold 5y agoAnd he worked with Chad Birch who runs the almighty tildes.net
- jedimastert 5y agoHoly bananas what a weird connection
- IHLayman 5y agoCan a model be trained in 4 days fast enough to score a perfect on this, under cost? It becomes a weirdly positive feedback loop if the pool keeps going up and up.
- Firmwarrior 5y agoI'm looking forward to the test coming out, and a perfect score being posted 5 seconds later
- nemo1618 5y agoGiven the provenance (MSCHF), I guess we can safely assume that the..."unfortunate"...MschfBoard logo was fully intentional.
- dragontamer 5y agoI was kinda hoping for some kind of live 3SAT solver competition. College-admissions SAT is still a good callout though, and probably more relevant / memorable to more people.
- jareklupinski 5y agoGot a free Saturday so I entered, wish me luck! Did pretty well on the actual SAT way back when, curious to see how it changed. I'll be taking it with a buddy who will go through questions on the computer, answer what they can, and yell out ones for me to calculate or google on my laptop while they go on to do the rest, then come back when I'm done. A two-way split is probably the most fun/profitable.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y agoOne fun aspect of this is that it meets the legal bar for the kind of contests that are pretty regulated. As such, they include an extensive terms and conditions pdf, which happens to contain a section on conduct and cheating. The tension between the T&Cs and the spirit of the contest is delicious. So the main site and the spirit of the contest says "Everyone will be cheating, and we don't care. Cheating is a legitimate test-taking strategy." Meanwhile the terms includes all sorts of things, including disallowing whatever the purveyors consider "unsportsmanlike" conduct. The whole section is vague enough to be fun to think about. (edit: removed the exact quote. it's long and didn't add much) I certainly know where I would draw the line between the kind of cheating allowed and the kind of cheating not allowed, but I expect we'd find a wide variety of where even HN readers would draw that line.
- legalcorrection 5y agoFull context makes it a bit more clear. I don't think you can reasonably argue this is an invitation to hack. But yeah, interesting point. "Unlike typical standardized tests, the MSAT is taken online and in private. Everyone will be cheating, and we don’t care. Cheating is a legitimate test-taking strategy."
- opportune 5y agoWell it wouldn’t be very fun or fair if the allowed cheating included stealing/getting the answer sheet from the organizers. There’s a difference between that and the test being “open book”. An open book test is barely even helpful for something like the SAT, assuming you can’t find the answers to the actual questions online
- ecshafer 5y agoIts strange that MSCHF (Mischief) brands itself as an "art collective". They don't really seem like an Art company so much as just an advertising company. I posit the reasoning is to be more hip. They have a CEO! If it were at least a workers syndicate or something of that nature I would say its less of a pointless branding.
- jedimastert 5y agoFor devil's advocate, you could say the same thing about Andy Warhol. They explore aspects of American pop culture, and I think a lot of their projects are really fun.
- aaaaaaaaata 5y agoAdvertising what?
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- nneonneo 5y ago》 <!-- tap '/' key 3 times quickly --> brings up the "QA ANSWER KEY" with plausible-looking multiple-choice answers. Given the link they provided for "Full MSAT Answer Sheet" this is almost certainly a troll, but it would be terribly amusing if they put the real answer sheet here.
- nyanpasu64 5y agoAnd of course this doesn't work in Firefox because / opens up quick find. Because some people don't bother to make sure their sites run on browser engines other than Chromium and Blink.
- MisterSandman 5y agoOnly for US :( It makes sense, but still. I took the SAT despite living in another country.
- MisterSandman 5y agoI stalked them and I found one more very interestinig project they have, called Tontine. Everyone pays $10, and you have to log in every day. If you don't log in, you're out. Last person standing wins the pool. It's only been 63 days, so it's ongoing. $71.4k pool, 2.4k living, 4.6k dead.
- MisterSandman 5y agolink: https://tontine.cash/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=tontine&utm_campaign=droplist https://tontine.cash/?utm_source=homepage&utm_medium=tontine...
- wincy 5y agoThis one will probably be going for a hundred years or more. I don’t see how anyone will ever collect this money. At least one person wrote a script that’ll make sure they’re online and it’ll probably never go down.