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I live in Hamburg, Germany. the reactor near Hamburg was either broken or not running for some other reasons. Also after 40 years of nuclear plants we still h

by lampe3 5y ago

I live in Hamburg, Germany. the reactor near Hamburg was either broken or not running for some other reasons. Also after 40 years of nuclear plants we still have not a good answer to the waste it produces.

Iridescent_ 5y ago
We still don't have a good answer only if you refuse all the already existing answers. Geological storage has already been studied extensively and sites are already being constructed.
- VaxWithSex 5y ago
  after decades of studying the German site was discarded, because water was coming in. So where are these places in Germany, that you want to store the waste?
- greenicon 5y ago
  This is not true for Germany. All existing places are temporary or have failed. Exactly now a search for a geological storage is going on: (German only, sorry!) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlagersuche_in_Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlagersuche_in_Deutschland
netcan 5y ago
The trade off was fossil fuels though. There aren't good answers to the problems these pose either. I always thought the security/proliferation arguments against nuclear power were the most convincing, but in germany's case I think the alternative has been worse on this front too.
- lampe3 5y ago
  No Germany back in the 90s was world leading in renewable energies. World best solar panels but yeah for some reason they solid it to other countries or companies. So no fossil was not the only way of going forward and it still isn't
  - VaxWithSex 5y ago
    China said: We give money to each and all Chinese companies, that want to do solar cells. Germany's conservative government then just ignored the German's companies cries for help, costing 200_000 jobs. Why? Well that were moslty voters for the greens, so their jobs weren't of interest.
ascar 5y ago
> Also after 40 years of nuclear plants we still have not a good answer to the waste it produces. That waste argument is repeated over and over again and just not relevant. Even if the waste problem is as massive as politics tries to claim (it isn't), that's not relevant for keeping the reactors running or even building new ones. The absolute volume of waste produced is so low that keeping on relying on fission isn't changing the already existing waste problem in any meaningful way especially when considering breeding type reactors that can recycle existing "waste". The argument is nothing but anti-fission propaganda and I wish it would stop being brought up as the first line of defense all the time.
- lampe3 5y ago
  These reactors that recycle waste are not a thing right now in Germany. These are pretty old reactors from the 80s or earlier. Calling it propaganda tells me just one thing: its a waste of time discussing this more.
- _ph_ 5y ago
  Which breeding reactors are available to burn the existing waste? France had some decades ago, but shut them down. Germany never finished its breeding reactor. As far as I know, only Russia has operating ones. Normally I might comment on how Russian nuclear technology might not set the benchmark for safety, but in the current situation, any possibility of nuclear cooperation with Russia seems to be rather small.
The_rationalist 5y ago

by lampe3 5y ago

Iridescent_ 5y ago

We still don't have a good answer only if you refuse all the already existing answers. Geological storage has already been studied extensively and sites are already being constructed.

VaxWithSex 5y ago
after decades of studying the German site was discarded, because water was coming in. So where are these places in Germany, that you want to store the waste?
greenicon 5y ago
This is not true for Germany. All existing places are temporary or have failed. Exactly now a search for a geological storage is going on: (German only, sorry!) https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlagersuche_in_Deutschland https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endlagersuche_in_Deutschland

netcan 5y ago

The trade off was fossil fuels though. There aren't good answers to the problems these pose either. I always thought the security/proliferation arguments against nuclear power were the most convincing, but in germany's case I think the alternative has been worse on this front too.

lampe3 5y ago
No Germany back in the 90s was world leading in renewable energies. World best solar panels but yeah for some reason they solid it to other countries or companies. So no fossil was not the only way of going forward and it still isn't
- VaxWithSex 5y ago
  China said: We give money to each and all Chinese companies, that want to do solar cells. Germany's conservative government then just ignored the German's companies cries for help, costing 200_000 jobs. Why? Well that were moslty voters for the greens, so their jobs weren't of interest.

ascar 5y ago

> Also after 40 years of nuclear plants we still have not a good answer to the waste it produces. That waste argument is repeated over and over again and just not relevant. Even if the waste problem is as massive as politics tries to claim (it isn't), that's not relevant for keeping the reactors running or even building new ones. The absolute volume of waste produced is so low that keeping on relying on fission isn't changing the already existing waste problem in any meaningful way especially when considering breeding type reactors that can recycle existing "waste". The argument is nothing but anti-fission propaganda and I wish it would stop being brought up as the first line of defense all the time.

lampe3 5y ago
These reactors that recycle waste are not a thing right now in Germany. These are pretty old reactors from the 80s or earlier. Calling it propaganda tells me just one thing: its a waste of time discussing this more.
_ph_ 5y ago
Which breeding reactors are available to burn the existing waste? France had some decades ago, but shut them down. Germany never finished its breeding reactor. As far as I know, only Russia has operating ones. Normally I might comment on how Russian nuclear technology might not set the benchmark for safety, but in the current situation, any possibility of nuclear cooperation with Russia seems to be rather small.

The_rationalist 5y ago