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I strongly suspect parent is a Russian troll. I don't believe any HN poster can criticise the existence of NATO in good faith after literally seeing the fate of

I strongly suspect parent is a Russian troll. I don't believe any HN poster can criticise the existence of NATO in good faith after literally seeing the fate of a nearby country that wasn't a part of it.

boffinAudio 5y ago
This tired trope needs to die. Just because you encounter a viewpoint that is not aligned with what you were told to think about things by the talking heads on the television, doesn't mean there was a Russian agitprop campaign involved. Try to actually expand your understanding of the world, just a little bit. I'm simply a civilian member of a 5-eyes state, have traveled extensively around the world including eastern Europe and the Balkans, speak multiple languages, have a great deal of interest in cultures not my own - including those I've been told by autocrats that I should 'hate', and as a result of decades of applying constant, vigilant attention to the Wests' war crimes, I am simply quite well-informed about the very real, actual war crimes and crimes against humanity that have been committed by NATO member states in the last twenty years, as well as the criminal actions of Western governments in suppressing any attempt to prosecute the very real war criminals who committed these crimes against humanity, in my name. Informing myself about the crimes committed in my name is something I consider of vital importance to existence in the modern world. Why aren't you equally informed? What investment do you have in the Wests' ability to commit war crimes with impunity?
salawat 5y ago
It's a tough thing to do, tbh. In my younger days, I've been blinded by rage at seeming atrocity gone unmet, only to realize later in life that given the way things are structured, and how reality works, there was simply no way to actually facilitate the desired change in the world without learning how it actually works. It's a sovereignty thing, and different places will see it differently, We have to temper the urge to stonewall with a willingness to pass on the requisite knowledge to initiate the uninitiated into an understanding of how things work. Then again, only so many hours in a day. I've said my piece.

boffinAudio 5y ago

This tired trope needs to die. Just because you encounter a viewpoint that is not aligned with what you were told to think about things by the talking heads on the television, doesn't mean there was a Russian agitprop campaign involved. Try to actually expand your understanding of the world, just a little bit. I'm simply a civilian member of a 5-eyes state, have traveled extensively around the world including eastern Europe and the Balkans, speak multiple languages, have a great deal of interest in cultures not my own - including those I've been told by autocrats that I should 'hate', and as a result of decades of applying constant, vigilant attention to the Wests' war crimes, I am simply quite well-informed about the very real, actual war crimes and crimes against humanity that have been committed by NATO member states in the last twenty years, as well as the criminal actions of Western governments in suppressing any attempt to prosecute the very real war criminals who committed these crimes against humanity, in my name. Informing myself about the crimes committed in my name is something I consider of vital importance to existence in the modern world. Why aren't you equally informed? What investment do you have in the Wests' ability to commit war crimes with impunity?

salawat 5y ago

It's a tough thing to do, tbh. In my younger days, I've been blinded by rage at seeming atrocity gone unmet, only to realize later in life that given the way things are structured, and how reality works, there was simply no way to actually facilitate the desired change in the world without learning how it actually works. It's a sovereignty thing, and different places will see it differently, We have to temper the urge to stonewall with a willingness to pass on the requisite knowledge to initiate the uninitiated into an understanding of how things work. Then again, only so many hours in a day. I've said my piece.