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The whole Nato expansion promise thing seem a pretty strained argument. The same parties negotiated and signed various treaties regarding this issue in the foll

The whole Nato expansion promise thing seem a pretty strained argument. The same parties negotiated and signed various treaties regarding this issue in the following years (paris charter, budapest memorandum, NATO foundation act with russia). There russia and other signatories guarantee ukraine their souvereign borders and free choice of military alliance. NATO has an open door policy since its inception 1949, nothing changed there. Why would anybody think that NATO would be bound to this verbal musings that are clearly superceded by signed treaties? @4) "...This is scarcely surprising because, for all the expectations of a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine predicted as imminent by President Biden and Boris Johnson, this has not occurred. Supposedly, Russians commanders leading 190,000 Russian troops had received definitive orders to attack at the weekend, and by now their tank columns should be racing towards Kyiv and other major Ukrainian cities, but in fact they have not moved." This did not age well. @5) Yep. Ppl tend to get radicalized if they are in an protracted existential war against a superior enemy.

OrvalWintermute 5y ago
Ukraine is not a member of NATO, and to join NATO, it needs the confirmation of 30 countries. Because Russia has strong ties to many of the countries in NATO, NATO is not likely to confirm Ukraine membership. Putting a powerful alliance on your borders, and moving missiles close to your borders is a casus belli We Americans have moved to blockade Cuba (but calling it a quarantine to be PC) when the Russians did the same with Cuba. [1] > This did not age well. They are not seeking to destroy Ukraine, only to capture it. This is not a repeat of the Nazi's capture of Ukraine in which much of the cities were destroyed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis
- Paradigma11 5y ago
  How can it be a casus belli when russia signed multiple treaties explicitely allowing ukraine free choice of military alliance. The cuba missile crisis was pretty bonkers from the US side. We were lucky that there were more level headed people on the sowjet side. Yes, you are right that ukraine acceptance into NATO was not going to happen soon, most likely many decades away. Nobody would allow a country in that has open territorial conflicts with russia. Putin wants to annex belarus and ukraine, all other words out of his mouth are just tactical blabla.

OrvalWintermute 5y ago

Ukraine is not a member of NATO, and to join NATO, it needs the confirmation of 30 countries. Because Russia has strong ties to many of the countries in NATO, NATO is not likely to confirm Ukraine membership. Putting a powerful alliance on your borders, and moving missiles close to your borders is a casus belli We Americans have moved to blockade Cuba (but calling it a quarantine to be PC) when the Russians did the same with Cuba. [1] > This did not age well. They are not seeking to destroy Ukraine, only to capture it. This is not a repeat of the Nazi's capture of Ukraine in which much of the cities were destroyed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis

Paradigma11 5y ago
How can it be a casus belli when russia signed multiple treaties explicitely allowing ukraine free choice of military alliance. The cuba missile crisis was pretty bonkers from the US side. We were lucky that there were more level headed people on the sowjet side. Yes, you are right that ukraine acceptance into NATO was not going to happen soon, most likely many decades away. Nobody would allow a country in that has open territorial conflicts with russia. Putin wants to annex belarus and ukraine, all other words out of his mouth are just tactical blabla.