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What war crimes and other crimes against humanity has NATO and its member states committed, with impunity, in the last twenty years? Russia doesn't want NATO o

What war crimes and other crimes against humanity has NATO and its member states committed, with impunity, in the last twenty years? Russia doesn't want NATO on its borders because NATO and its principle membership is factually an aggressive, criminal operation with the blood of millions of innocent people on its hands. Iraq lost 5% of its population to the evil antics of NATO states, operating with seeming impunity, launching attacks from NATO bases across the landscape. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. We in the West might be comfortable with ignoring this fact, but Russians are not. NATO acquires membership countries through 'soft' (CIA) means, but it also bombs non-member countries determined to be 'inferior' by its membership into utter oblivion. >Why did Poland feel the need to join an organization to defend itself against Russia? Decades of CIA agit-prop designed to drive a wedge between two states that, were they allies, would factually represent a major challenge to American hegemony. NATO is a trap to keep states fighting.. If Russia and Europe were to align into an economic bloc rather than fight, even China couldn't hold a light to the resulting superpower.

Naktibalda 5y ago
I don't support what US did in Iraq or Afganisthan, but you got Russia's motives wrong. Russia doesn't want to see its neighbours protected from Russia's aggression.
- boffinAudio 5y ago
  Russia doesn't want NATO bases within 6 minutes missile flight time of Moscow, given NATO's actual, real track record of committing crimes against humanity and war crimes with impunity. Americans and members of aligned Western nations may not understand this, sheltered as we are within our little comfortable media bubbles that hide the vast, heinous crimes against humanity committed in our names, but from the outside it is very clear that NATO are the aggressors of our age. You don't get to participate in the massacre of 5% of any sovereign states' population and call yourself angels. You don't get to drop bombs every twenty minutes for twenty years and call yourself a 'peace-maker'. It is NATO member states that have utterly demolished countless other sovereign nations considered 'inferior' by NATO members' leadership. How many more million Muslims have to die before this clear bigotry becomes obvious to us in the West? And now the same bigot war criminals have their sights set on Russia. I think this is pretty obvious, so you have to be somewhat cowardly to not understand this fact. Or, perhaps, extremely privileged to have lived a life, callously unaware of the 34 million refugees from very real, actual wars WE have started since the end of the Cold War ..
  - Naktibalda 5y ago
    Soviet Union killed millions and Putin wants to restore it. He is killing thousands more and could kill millions if he wins. Russia is aggressor, not a victim. I know what I'm talking about, all 4 of my grandparents were lucky to survive 10 years in Siberia after WWII.
    - boffinAudio 5y ago
      The Soviet Union is ancient history and was rightfully removed from the contemporary zeitgeist. It collapsed because of its own misdeeds, just as the West is doing. And WW2 was a LONG TIME AGO - it is time to stop using WW2 to justify further atrocities in the modern age - we have a new world now. Hitler and Stalin are gone, they can't hurt you any more. There are other racist tyrants currently murdering innocent people across the globe, and you should be able to name them today, instead of relying on the WW2 trope to justify current atrocities. What WE did to places such as Baghdad and Mosul and Raqqa and Damascus and Tripoli and Yemen in the last 10-20 years - well, those piles of burning rubble are still smouldering. What we are doing TODAY in Yemen, for example, is far more important than what happened to your grandparents. Russia has nowhere near the amount of innocent blood on its hands that WE, civilian members of the criminal 5-eyes superstate, do. If you want to do something about peace in the world, prosecute the war criminals in your own society. They're still committing crimes, and we - the people - will have to pay for them anyway. The real target of your ire should be the very real, currently still active war criminals in your own cabinet/parliament/congress. Prosecute YOUR war criminals before it is too late.
      - Naktibalda 5y ago
        Russian warship - go to hell!
      - Naktibalda 5y ago
        Attrocities of Soviet Union ended in 1991. I saw them with my own eyes. Russia took over right away when it fought 2 wars against Chechnya and engineered separatist movements is former Soviet Union republics. Russia attacked Sakartvelo in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014. Russia committed war crimes in Syria and is committing them in Ukraine right now. If you feel responsible for war crimes of USA, you should feel personal responsibility for war crimes of Russia too, because you are supporting them. My government hasn't committed any war crimes.
rgbrenner 5y ago
NATO didn’t forcefully acquire these countries.. these countries used their freedom of association and self determination to make an agreement for defense. Why did Poland feel the need to join an organization to defend itself against Russia? What made Poland think Russia wasn’t its friend?
linschn 5y ago
France in a NATO member and did not participate in the Irak war. This war has nothing to do with NATO. It just happens to be waged by countries which are also in NATO, but the two are unrelated. And the claim that the Irak war was just (a bullshit claim that only hardcore us republican still make with a straight face) is unrelated to the claim that the ukrain war is unjust.
- boffinAudio 5y ago
  This war has everything to do with NATO. France is a NATO member that participated in the destruction of Libya. This fact is widely acknowledged in the non-Western sphere as having been a very, very bad move.

Naktibalda 5y ago

I don't support what US did in Iraq or Afganisthan, but you got Russia's motives wrong. Russia doesn't want to see its neighbours protected from Russia's aggression.

boffinAudio 5y ago
Russia doesn't want NATO bases within 6 minutes missile flight time of Moscow, given NATO's actual, real track record of committing crimes against humanity and war crimes with impunity. Americans and members of aligned Western nations may not understand this, sheltered as we are within our little comfortable media bubbles that hide the vast, heinous crimes against humanity committed in our names, but from the outside it is very clear that NATO are the aggressors of our age. You don't get to participate in the massacre of 5% of any sovereign states' population and call yourself angels. You don't get to drop bombs every twenty minutes for twenty years and call yourself a 'peace-maker'. It is NATO member states that have utterly demolished countless other sovereign nations considered 'inferior' by NATO members' leadership. How many more million Muslims have to die before this clear bigotry becomes obvious to us in the West? And now the same bigot war criminals have their sights set on Russia. I think this is pretty obvious, so you have to be somewhat cowardly to not understand this fact. Or, perhaps, extremely privileged to have lived a life, callously unaware of the 34 million refugees from very real, actual wars WE have started since the end of the Cold War ..
- Naktibalda 5y ago
  Soviet Union killed millions and Putin wants to restore it. He is killing thousands more and could kill millions if he wins. Russia is aggressor, not a victim. I know what I'm talking about, all 4 of my grandparents were lucky to survive 10 years in Siberia after WWII.
  - boffinAudio 5y ago
    The Soviet Union is ancient history and was rightfully removed from the contemporary zeitgeist. It collapsed because of its own misdeeds, just as the West is doing. And WW2 was a LONG TIME AGO - it is time to stop using WW2 to justify further atrocities in the modern age - we have a new world now. Hitler and Stalin are gone, they can't hurt you any more. There are other racist tyrants currently murdering innocent people across the globe, and you should be able to name them today, instead of relying on the WW2 trope to justify current atrocities. What WE did to places such as Baghdad and Mosul and Raqqa and Damascus and Tripoli and Yemen in the last 10-20 years - well, those piles of burning rubble are still smouldering. What we are doing TODAY in Yemen, for example, is far more important than what happened to your grandparents. Russia has nowhere near the amount of innocent blood on its hands that WE, civilian members of the criminal 5-eyes superstate, do. If you want to do something about peace in the world, prosecute the war criminals in your own society. They're still committing crimes, and we - the people - will have to pay for them anyway. The real target of your ire should be the very real, currently still active war criminals in your own cabinet/parliament/congress. Prosecute YOUR war criminals before it is too late.
    - Naktibalda 5y ago
      Russian warship - go to hell!
    - Naktibalda 5y ago
      Attrocities of Soviet Union ended in 1991. I saw them with my own eyes. Russia took over right away when it fought 2 wars against Chechnya and engineered separatist movements is former Soviet Union republics. Russia attacked Sakartvelo in 2008 and Ukraine in 2014. Russia committed war crimes in Syria and is committing them in Ukraine right now. If you feel responsible for war crimes of USA, you should feel personal responsibility for war crimes of Russia too, because you are supporting them. My government hasn't committed any war crimes.

rgbrenner 5y ago

NATO didn’t forcefully acquire these countries.. these countries used their freedom of association and self determination to make an agreement for defense. Why did Poland feel the need to join an organization to defend itself against Russia? What made Poland think Russia wasn’t its friend?

linschn 5y ago

France in a NATO member and did not participate in the Irak war. This war has nothing to do with NATO. It just happens to be waged by countries which are also in NATO, but the two are unrelated. And the claim that the Irak war was just (a bullshit claim that only hardcore us republican still make with a straight face) is unrelated to the claim that the ukrain war is unjust.

boffinAudio 5y ago
This war has everything to do with NATO. France is a NATO member that participated in the destruction of Libya. This fact is widely acknowledged in the non-Western sphere as having been a very, very bad move.