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I have zero trust in the intentions of browsers, and at least a little bit in the EU. Now what do we do?

by jcelerier 5y ago

rocqua 5y ago
Nothing, so we keep the status quo?
- toyg 5y ago
  the status quo favours one of the two commenters upthread, so it makes sense that the other side will keep pushing. Compromise will be required.
  - Thiez 5y ago
    There are some people who think women should not be allowed to vote. Or that pi equals 3. Just because different opinions exist does not mean compromise is required. Sometimes it's perfectly okay to just tell someone to fuck off.
    - toyg 5y ago
      Telling people to fuck off when they argue for discrimination is fine, but doing so when they want accountability is the definition of tyrannical behaviour. Tyrannies, even enlightened ones, eventually tend to fall.
      - Thiez 5y ago
        The current system has done a very good job keeping certificate authorities honest and secure by holding them accountable. Those who disagree can easily modify the trusted root certificates on their own devices to their liking. The article presents several arguments why the proposed legislation would be worse than what we have now. Perhaps those who support these plans could try countering these arguments, rather than trying to force a "compromise" while accusing the other side of tyrannical behavior. Some might argue that the government enforcing which websites are trusted looks a lot like a tyranny.
        toyg 5y ago
        > Perhaps those who support these plans could try countering these arguments These discussions are being had, as part of the EU process. This is a proposal, not a decree, and is being submitted by a body with some democratic legitimacy. > Some might argue that the government enforcing which websites are trusted looks a lot like a tyranny. As long as the government is an actual expression of popular will, mediated through the various mechanisms of social democracy, it's hard to argue that it would be a less democratic stance than letting an unaccountable foreign company in charge of things.
gpderetta 5y ago
The problem is that you have to trust the browser either way.

I have zero trust in the intentions of browsers, and at least a little bit in the EU. Now what do we do?

rocqua 5y ago

Nothing, so we keep the status quo?

toyg 5y ago
the status quo favours one of the two commenters upthread, so it makes sense that the other side will keep pushing. Compromise will be required.
- Thiez 5y ago
  There are some people who think women should not be allowed to vote. Or that pi equals 3. Just because different opinions exist does not mean compromise is required. Sometimes it's perfectly okay to just tell someone to fuck off.
  - toyg 5y ago
    Telling people to fuck off when they argue for discrimination is fine, but doing so when they want accountability is the definition of tyrannical behaviour. Tyrannies, even enlightened ones, eventually tend to fall.
    - Thiez 5y ago
      The current system has done a very good job keeping certificate authorities honest and secure by holding them accountable. Those who disagree can easily modify the trusted root certificates on their own devices to their liking. The article presents several arguments why the proposed legislation would be worse than what we have now. Perhaps those who support these plans could try countering these arguments, rather than trying to force a "compromise" while accusing the other side of tyrannical behavior. Some might argue that the government enforcing which websites are trusted looks a lot like a tyranny.
      - toyg 5y ago
        > Perhaps those who support these plans could try countering these arguments These discussions are being had, as part of the EU process. This is a proposal, not a decree, and is being submitted by a body with some democratic legitimacy. > Some might argue that the government enforcing which websites are trusted looks a lot like a tyranny. As long as the government is an actual expression of popular will, mediated through the various mechanisms of social democracy, it's hard to argue that it would be a less democratic stance than letting an unaccountable foreign company in charge of things.

gpderetta 5y ago

The problem is that you have to trust the browser either way.