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Weaponizing russian central bank dollar reserves was not a good idea for sanctions. It’s hacking your own foot and the branch it stands on. Why would foreign

Weaponizing russian central bank dollar reserves was not a good idea for sanctions. It’s hacking your own foot and the branch it stands on. Why would foreign governments such as China maintain dollar reserves now ?

octoberfranklin 5y ago
Why did they maintain them before? Personally I'm not sure I know of a credible answer to either question. A lot of stuff about fiat money is just cargo-cult voodoo.
Jabbles 5y ago
Do you realise the reasons they did so before the sanctions? The same reasons apply. The possibility of sanctions has always existed and it's possibly pleasing to many countries that the bar for sanctions seems to be set at "invading another country".
- naveen99 5y ago
  Sanctions are fairly arbitrary. China has sanctions on them for trying to become self sufficient with semi conductors. Iran has sanctions for trying to build nuclear weapons. The bar is doing something that the west doesn’t want you to do. Foreign governments may as well just admit there is one global world order and let their citizens start paying formal taxes to the usa directly.
  - Cthulhu_ 5y ago
    Wait, are you saying the US has taxes? Anyway yes, there is a global world order, the United Nations, a bloc of 193 countries focused on maintaining peace and security. It felt like a toothless tiger throughout its existence though, but I'm not very well versed in international / global politics.
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Well if they didn't want their economy get shafted, maybe they shouldn't have invaded another country unprovoked? Also, it's a two way street; China maintains dollar reserves, but the US has a $1 trillion debt with China [0]. If there was a conflict, or if the US refused to pay back those loans, their credit rating would drop and they would no longer be able to borrow more money. And if the US cannot borrow money, it will soon enter a state of shutdown - it's spending a lot more than it's earning (it has a budget deficit of $3 trillion [1]). Holding money and debts is a means of mutual control, a force to maintain good relationships, standings, and peace. This is one reason why China is holding a fairly neutral stance; they're not cutting off Russia, but they're not pissing off the other countries either by e.g. providing military or financial aid to Russia. [0] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616/5-countries-own-most-us-debt.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616... [1] https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget
- naveen99 5y ago
  Well there is a conflict and the us is refusing to allow Russia to trade in its debt. Credit rating should suffer now right ? I recognize the dollar is actually up this weekend. But either the usa literally already has Russia and China as puppet states, or it’s credit should suffer.
rmbyrro 5y ago
> Why would foreign governments such as China maintain dollar reserves now? A. Extremely high liquidity B. Backed by a relatively stable legal and financial system
tablespoon 5y ago
> Weaponizing russian central bank dollar reserves was not a good idea for sanctions. It’s hacking your own foot and the branch it stands on. Why would foreign governments such as China maintain dollar reserves now ? It seems like this is the kind of thinking Putin was counting on: having the West hold back from using their effective weapons out of fear of "using them up," until those weapons become rusty and useless.

octoberfranklin 5y ago

Why did they maintain them before? Personally I'm not sure I know of a credible answer to either question. A lot of stuff about fiat money is just cargo-cult voodoo.

Jabbles 5y ago

Do you realise the reasons they did so before the sanctions? The same reasons apply. The possibility of sanctions has always existed and it's possibly pleasing to many countries that the bar for sanctions seems to be set at "invading another country".

naveen99 5y ago
Sanctions are fairly arbitrary. China has sanctions on them for trying to become self sufficient with semi conductors. Iran has sanctions for trying to build nuclear weapons. The bar is doing something that the west doesn’t want you to do. Foreign governments may as well just admit there is one global world order and let their citizens start paying formal taxes to the usa directly.
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  Wait, are you saying the US has taxes? Anyway yes, there is a global world order, the United Nations, a bloc of 193 countries focused on maintaining peace and security. It felt like a toothless tiger throughout its existence though, but I'm not very well versed in international / global politics.

Cthulhu_ 5y ago

Well if they didn't want their economy get shafted, maybe they shouldn't have invaded another country unprovoked? Also, it's a two way street; China maintains dollar reserves, but the US has a $1 trillion debt with China [0]. If there was a conflict, or if the US refused to pay back those loans, their credit rating would drop and they would no longer be able to borrow more money. And if the US cannot borrow money, it will soon enter a state of shutdown - it's spending a lot more than it's earning (it has a budget deficit of $3 trillion [1]). Holding money and debts is a means of mutual control, a force to maintain good relationships, standings, and peace. This is one reason why China is holding a fairly neutral stance; they're not cutting off Russia, but they're not pissing off the other countries either by e.g. providing military or financial aid to Russia. [0] https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616/5-countries-own-most-us-debt.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/markets-economy/090616... [1] https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget https://www.cbo.gov/topics/budget

naveen99 5y ago
Well there is a conflict and the us is refusing to allow Russia to trade in its debt. Credit rating should suffer now right ? I recognize the dollar is actually up this weekend. But either the usa literally already has Russia and China as puppet states, or it’s credit should suffer.

rmbyrro 5y ago

> Why would foreign governments such as China maintain dollar reserves now? A. Extremely high liquidity B. Backed by a relatively stable legal and financial system

tablespoon 5y ago

> Weaponizing russian central bank dollar reserves was not a good idea for sanctions. It’s hacking your own foot and the branch it stands on. Why would foreign governments such as China maintain dollar reserves now ? It seems like this is the kind of thinking Putin was counting on: having the West hold back from using their effective weapons out of fear of "using them up," until those weapons become rusty and useless.