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History is full of examples for how letting a dictator run a country for a prolonged period of time will come back to bite the people in the behind.

gilrain 5y ago
Putin has used violent oppression to maintain his rule. The victims do not deserve your contempt.
- linspace 5y ago
  Maybe the comment is about european leaders or even the russian oligarchs, not the russian people.
- usrbinbash 5y ago
  The comment is primarily about other countries governments and their wide lenience toward Putin, not about the Russian people. Without such leniency and appeasement (usually in the name of the oh-so-important "good economic relations"), no autocratic system can exist for long in todays world.
  - SantalBlush 5y ago
    The US has a long, rich history of calling a foreign leader "dictator" then installing a new government. We kind of got tired of it because it's actually extremely unethical.
- cloutchaser 5y ago
  That's not quite true though is it. I suggest you read some Viktor Frankl and Scholznitsen. The type of leader a country has always has something to do with its citizens. It's not a one way street. If enough citizens stand up to dictators, you get a better system. After all, almost all countries had kings and dictators at some point, and eventually some got rid of them.
  - vgel 5y ago
    There's room for nuance here, though -- while "democracy via revolution" is a good backstop[1], it's self-evidently a higher-friction method of regime change than electoral democracy. People in the USA or EU are more responsible for their government than Russians. [1] Interestingly the French Declaration of the Rights of Man from 1789 includes the right of "resistance to oppression"
- graphpercolator 5y ago
  Looking at the chart of USD RUB this is going to have massive consequences. IMO we have probably just got rid of Putin and brought back Russian Communism. Then you will have a Communist block with China that instantly has nuclear parity with the West. Anyone with savings in rubles just had their savings turned to dust. I think we underestimate the power of financial weapons in the 21st century.
  - cguess 5y ago
    Why would Russia go back to communism without Putin? He didn't cause the downfall of Communism. Their default could be many things, but reinstating the USSR is not one of them.
blip54321 5y ago
I feel like this is the time for NATO to move, at least into Belarus, and not after they have nukes. Seems like Russia feels it can get away with anything by threatening thermonuclear war. At some point, a line should be drawn.
vkou 5y ago
~95-99% of humanity across recorded history was ruled by dictators and autocrats of various stripes and colors. Liberal democracy is the weird historical aberration, I'm not sure that claims made from its perspective are as normative as you think. Given some political trends we're observing, and its poor overall track record in dealing with relatively simple crises (COVID), it's still too early to tell whether or not it can survive in the long term.

gilrain 5y ago

Putin has used violent oppression to maintain his rule. The victims do not deserve your contempt.

linspace 5y ago
Maybe the comment is about european leaders or even the russian oligarchs, not the russian people.
usrbinbash 5y ago
The comment is primarily about other countries governments and their wide lenience toward Putin, not about the Russian people. Without such leniency and appeasement (usually in the name of the oh-so-important "good economic relations"), no autocratic system can exist for long in todays world.
- SantalBlush 5y ago
  The US has a long, rich history of calling a foreign leader "dictator" then installing a new government. We kind of got tired of it because it's actually extremely unethical.
cloutchaser 5y ago
That's not quite true though is it. I suggest you read some Viktor Frankl and Scholznitsen. The type of leader a country has always has something to do with its citizens. It's not a one way street. If enough citizens stand up to dictators, you get a better system. After all, almost all countries had kings and dictators at some point, and eventually some got rid of them.
- vgel 5y ago
  There's room for nuance here, though -- while "democracy via revolution" is a good backstop[1], it's self-evidently a higher-friction method of regime change than electoral democracy. People in the USA or EU are more responsible for their government than Russians. [1] Interestingly the French Declaration of the Rights of Man from 1789 includes the right of "resistance to oppression"
graphpercolator 5y ago
Looking at the chart of USD RUB this is going to have massive consequences. IMO we have probably just got rid of Putin and brought back Russian Communism. Then you will have a Communist block with China that instantly has nuclear parity with the West. Anyone with savings in rubles just had their savings turned to dust. I think we underestimate the power of financial weapons in the 21st century.
- cguess 5y ago
  Why would Russia go back to communism without Putin? He didn't cause the downfall of Communism. Their default could be many things, but reinstating the USSR is not one of them.

blip54321 5y ago

I feel like this is the time for NATO to move, at least into Belarus, and not after they have nukes. Seems like Russia feels it can get away with anything by threatening thermonuclear war. At some point, a line should be drawn.

vkou 5y ago

~95-99% of humanity across recorded history was ruled by dictators and autocrats of various stripes and colors. Liberal democracy is the weird historical aberration, I'm not sure that claims made from its perspective are as normative as you think. Given some political trends we're observing, and its poor overall track record in dealing with relatively simple crises (COVID), it's still too early to tell whether or not it can survive in the long term.