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Diplomacy has not worked, it didn't work after polonium, novichok or Crimea. It's big stick time time unfortunately.

thomassmith65 5y ago
I agree with you, but am somewhat uncomfortable about it. My respect for Sachs verges on idolatry.
sinyug 5y ago
> Diplomacy has not worked Inviting former parts of the Soviet Union to join NATO is not "diplomacy."[1] The US should try this diplomacy with China: recognize Taiwan as an independent country, invite it to join NATO and see what the Chinese do. [1] Blinken: Ukraine has all tools to move towards NATO membership (https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/blinken-ukraine-has-all-tools-to-move-towards-nato-membership.html https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/blinken-ukraine-ha...)
- thevagrant 5y ago
  Ukraine is a sovereign country. It is not like the world suddenly recognised it as a new country last week.
  - pydry 5y ago
    The real test of whether the west really believes this isnt Ukraine but when hypersonic missiles are deployed in Cuba and pointed at the US. ...which is looking less theoretical by the day. NATO already made it pretty clear with Libya that sovereignty wasnt top among its list of concerns.
    - thevagrant 5y ago
      So based on your 'less theoretical' incohesive point about two other nations not related to Ukraine. You expect the world to step aside and do what exactly?
      - pydry 5y ago
        I'm saying that nobody really gives a fuck about sovereignty, least of all when there's a military threat on their doorstep. Not the US. Not NATO. Not Russia.
        thevagrant 5y ago
        That makes no sense. If no one gave a shit about sovereignty then War wouldn't occur because "nobody really gives a fuck".
- Naktibalda 5y ago
  It isn't a NATO problem that all neighbours of Russia want to join NATO.
  - jvln 5y ago
    What might be the reason..?
pjc50 5y ago
Indeed. I suspect that Putin thought he'd get away with this without a response because he did the previous dozen or so times. Including the previous invasion of Ukraine. Bit of a failure to indicate what was actually a red line.
justsomehnguy 5y ago
Clearly you didn't even bothered to watch the video.
boffinAudio 5y ago
The West doesn't have any big sticks left. Diplomacy didn't work after Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, or .. Yemen .. either. It didn't work to stop the murder of two million innocent people in Iraq, and it hasn't worked to stop genocide enacted by a totalitarian-authoritarian dictatorship, aligned with Al'Qaeda, and supported by the Wests' military-industrial complex. It didn't prevent the utter destruction of Mosul or Raqqa, and it hasn't stopped the funding and arming of known terrorist groups by Western NATO members, either. Given that heinous track record, nobody wants to 'negotiate' with the West any longer, and that is quite understandable. If you want to do something effective, get your OWN war criminals prosecuted for their crimes.

I agree with you, but am somewhat uncomfortable about it. My respect for Sachs verges on idolatry.

> Diplomacy has not worked Inviting former parts of the Soviet Union to join NATO is not "diplomacy."[1] The US should try this diplomacy with China: recognize Taiwan as an independent country, invite it to join NATO and see what the Chinese do. [1] Blinken: Ukraine has all tools to move towards NATO membership (https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/blinken-ukraine-has-all-tools-to-move-towards-nato-membership.html https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/blinken-ukraine-ha...)

thevagrant 5y ago
Ukraine is a sovereign country. It is not like the world suddenly recognised it as a new country last week.
- pydry 5y ago
  The real test of whether the west really believes this isnt Ukraine but when hypersonic missiles are deployed in Cuba and pointed at the US. ...which is looking less theoretical by the day. NATO already made it pretty clear with Libya that sovereignty wasnt top among its list of concerns.
  - thevagrant 5y ago
    So based on your 'less theoretical' incohesive point about two other nations not related to Ukraine. You expect the world to step aside and do what exactly?
    - pydry 5y ago
      I'm saying that nobody really gives a fuck about sovereignty, least of all when there's a military threat on their doorstep. Not the US. Not NATO. Not Russia.
      - thevagrant 5y ago
        That makes no sense. If no one gave a shit about sovereignty then War wouldn't occur because "nobody really gives a fuck".
Naktibalda 5y ago
It isn't a NATO problem that all neighbours of Russia want to join NATO.
- jvln 5y ago
  What might be the reason..?

pjc50 5y ago

Indeed. I suspect that Putin thought he'd get away with this without a response because he did the previous dozen or so times. Including the previous invasion of Ukraine. Bit of a failure to indicate what was actually a red line.

justsomehnguy 5y ago

Clearly you didn't even bothered to watch the video.

boffinAudio 5y ago

The West doesn't have any big sticks left. Diplomacy didn't work after Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, or .. Yemen .. either. It didn't work to stop the murder of two million innocent people in Iraq, and it hasn't worked to stop genocide enacted by a totalitarian-authoritarian dictatorship, aligned with Al'Qaeda, and supported by the Wests' military-industrial complex. It didn't prevent the utter destruction of Mosul or Raqqa, and it hasn't stopped the funding and arming of known terrorist groups by Western NATO members, either. Given that heinous track record, nobody wants to 'negotiate' with the West any longer, and that is quite understandable. If you want to do something effective, get your OWN war criminals prosecuted for their crimes.