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The filesystem is horrible too.

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FeepingCreature 5y ago
Drivers - also not great. Left up to the manufacturers, no commitment to code quality, closed source, and often comes with bloatware.
- rvz 5y ago
  Then after all those 'problems' I should be seeing tons of users choosing a Linux Desktop distro (which one out of millions) mass migrating out of Windows by now. Why is that still not the case yet after 20 years? It seems that after 20 years, these users still do not care enough to do any of that and WSL2 has only given a reason to make backing up / migrating / wiping / installing a Linux Desktop distro even less worth it these days.
  - rd07 5y ago
    I think Windows being a product of a big company also played a role. It mainly came pre-installed on most device. Because Microsoft pushes for it, and user, especially the non-technical one, won't bother to install something else on their machine. So, for most computer user, there is just no other choice.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    Why do you think they aren't? There's a massive gaming on Linux movement which is only going up, and Chromebooks are outselling Apple Macs. Most main OEMs sell Linux-compatible devices, that come with Linux preinstalled.
    - rvz 5y ago
      So when we say 'Linux' we're now talking about 'Chromebooks' with ChromeOS. Not only they defeated the purpose of someone else's point on getting rid of 'closed source' and 'spyware' controlled by Google, it is already at risk of ending up getting replaced by Fuchsia but may still be called 'ChromeOS' and it won't be based on Linux. That is my bet on this decade. I still don't see any evidence of Windows being challenged by any Linux Desktop distro other than being used in WSL2. That is it.
    - pjmlp 5y ago
      20 years for 1% increase, sooo massive. Chromebooks aren't Linux, the userspace runs on the Web Platform, and Crostini is no different from WSL 2.
      - blibble 5y ago
        > Chromebooks aren't Linux pretty certain they are let me guess... Android phones aren't Linux either? or the millions of Dell/HP servers running nginx/Java/Postgres/...?
        pjmlp 5y ago
        > Let me guess... Android phones aren't Linux either? Exactly, ask the Termux guys how much fun they are having obeying to this set of API restrictions, https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/stable_apis https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/stable_apis Do you see any Linux APIs there? I don't. And just for the case you are feeling clever, https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2016/06/improving-stability-with-private-cc.html https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2016/06/improving-... > or the millions of Dell/HP servers running nginx/Java/Postgres/...? We are not speaking about servers on a thread about laptops and desktop computers. It is quite clear that UNIX owns the server room.
        blibble 5y ago
        how many raw NT kernel APIs do your typical Win32 programs call? probably zero? so I guess Win32 programs aren't really Windows programs then? Win32 running on top of NT is no different to the Android API running on top of the Linux kernel
        pjmlp 5y ago
        Whatever makes you feel happy, beware not to stumble on the fuchsia carpet on the way out.
        blibble 5y ago
  - LAC-Tech 5y ago
    Who cares? You're making the presumption that more popular is better. You're also heavily implying that linux desktop users should care that it's less popular - I genuinely don't. 2022 is another year of the linux desktop for me, and I'm so glad to be off windows again.

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Drivers - also not great. Left up to the manufacturers, no commitment to code quality, closed source, and often comes with bloatware.

rvz 5y ago
Then after all those 'problems' I should be seeing tons of users choosing a Linux Desktop distro (which one out of millions) mass migrating out of Windows by now. Why is that still not the case yet after 20 years? It seems that after 20 years, these users still do not care enough to do any of that and WSL2 has only given a reason to make backing up / migrating / wiping / installing a Linux Desktop distro even less worth it these days.
- rd07 5y ago
  I think Windows being a product of a big company also played a role. It mainly came pre-installed on most device. Because Microsoft pushes for it, and user, especially the non-technical one, won't bother to install something else on their machine. So, for most computer user, there is just no other choice.
- sofixa 5y ago
  Why do you think they aren't? There's a massive gaming on Linux movement which is only going up, and Chromebooks are outselling Apple Macs. Most main OEMs sell Linux-compatible devices, that come with Linux preinstalled.
  - rvz 5y ago
    So when we say 'Linux' we're now talking about 'Chromebooks' with ChromeOS. Not only they defeated the purpose of someone else's point on getting rid of 'closed source' and 'spyware' controlled by Google, it is already at risk of ending up getting replaced by Fuchsia but may still be called 'ChromeOS' and it won't be based on Linux. That is my bet on this decade. I still don't see any evidence of Windows being challenged by any Linux Desktop distro other than being used in WSL2. That is it.
  - pjmlp 5y ago
    20 years for 1% increase, sooo massive. Chromebooks aren't Linux, the userspace runs on the Web Platform, and Crostini is no different from WSL 2.
    - blibble 5y ago
      > Chromebooks aren't Linux pretty certain they are let me guess... Android phones aren't Linux either? or the millions of Dell/HP servers running nginx/Java/Postgres/...?
      - pjmlp 5y ago
        > Let me guess... Android phones aren't Linux either? Exactly, ask the Termux guys how much fun they are having obeying to this set of API restrictions, https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/stable_apis https://developer.android.com/ndk/guides/stable_apis Do you see any Linux APIs there? I don't. And just for the case you are feeling clever, https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2016/06/improving-stability-with-private-cc.html https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2016/06/improving-... > or the millions of Dell/HP servers running nginx/Java/Postgres/...? We are not speaking about servers on a thread about laptops and desktop computers. It is quite clear that UNIX owns the server room.
        blibble 5y ago
        how many raw NT kernel APIs do your typical Win32 programs call? probably zero? so I guess Win32 programs aren't really Windows programs then? Win32 running on top of NT is no different to the Android API running on top of the Linux kernel
        pjmlp 5y ago
        Whatever makes you feel happy, beware not to stumble on the fuchsia carpet on the way out.
        blibble 5y ago
- LAC-Tech 5y ago
  Who cares? You're making the presumption that more popular is better. You're also heavily implying that linux desktop users should care that it's less popular - I genuinely don't. 2022 is another year of the linux desktop for me, and I'm so glad to be off windows again.