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When people ask “Does it run Linux”, they typically don’t mean WSL (which in its current iteration is essentially just a VM).
by josteink 5y ago
When people ask “Does it run Linux”, they typically don’t mean WSL (which in its current iteration is essentially just a VM).
- pjmlp 5y agoThat is the only usable way for Linux Desktop on laptops after 20 years going for it.
- blibble 5y agoit's worked out of the box on every ThinkPad I've ever purchased
- viraptor 5y agoI'm a happy native Linux desktop user for almost that long. Preferred it to windows. Let's not exaggerate about "only usable".
- pjmlp 5y agoMy experience with Linux since 1995, kind of proves otherwise, I lost track on hand holding Linux on laptops, including those sold with Linux pre-installed.
- fsflover 5y agoPerhaps you chose wrong models? My Librem 15 is flawless with Linux (suspend and everything else works in 100% cases).
- viraptor 5y agoYes, but this doesn't prove that Linux desktop is only usable as WSL any more than my experience proves that windows is only usable as wine. You didn't enjoy the experience - that's ok.
- mixedCase 5y agoI've got zero problems on a T490. All I did was grab the nixos-hardware module for it and off I went. Maybe don't buy hardware that other people haven't tested first? Some vendors pre-install or announce Linux support but don't actually have anywhere near proper support.
- pjmlp 5y agoLike the Linux problems on Dell XPS models?
- mixedCase 5y agoYes, IIRC that was some of the models shipping with a non-Intel network card, not all were affected. Same with the Framework and its power states not working. Unfortunately Linux "support" means little, you have to go by other people's experiences with the specific laptop or at least the specific hardware pieces used by it. But if you check before you buy, which is a pretty trivial affair for anyone tech-savvy enough to manage their own Linux install, or if you're careless and lucky, things go swimmingly.
- MikusR 5y agoThere are happy DOS users.
- rvz 5y agoExactly. WSL2 effectively makes Windows 10/11 the best Linux distro out there without all the steps of formatting, wiping and backing up disks and then installing it.
- LAC-Tech 5y agothe problem with that "distro" is the window manager sucks
- jwandborg 5y agoThe filesystem is horrible too.
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- FeepingCreature 5y agoDrivers - also not great. Left up to the manufacturers, no commitment to code quality, closed source, and often comes with bloatware.
- rvz 5y agoThen after all those 'problems' I should be seeing tons of users choosing a Linux Desktop distro (which one out of millions) mass migrating out of Windows by now. Why is that still not the case yet after 20 years? It seems that after 20 years, these users still do not care enough to do any of that and WSL2 has only given a reason to make backing up / migrating / wiping / installing a Linux Desktop distro even less worth it these days.
- rd07 5y agoI think Windows being a product of a big company also played a role. It mainly came pre-installed on most device. Because Microsoft pushes for it, and user, especially the non-technical one, won't bother to install something else on their machine. So, for most computer user, there is just no other choice.
- skywal_l 5y agoUbuntu works like a charm on an HP Envy x360 13.
- squarefoot 5y agoThis is completely untrue. I had a Asus laptop in 2003 in which everything worked out of the box under Red Hat Linux, save for video acceleration, but mine was a unfortunate model since most colleagues had no problem with their much better laptops. A couple years later I bought a (much more expensive) wonderful Fujitsu Siemens P7010 which supported Debian Linux out of the box 100% after I provided the firmware for the wireless card (a few Kb download). That machine lasted almost 10 years and was one of the most beautiful machine I ever owned. Then I purchased another Fujitsu i5-something laptop, and again: everything worked out of the box under Debian, and now my girlfriend uses it under Manjaro. Then I purchased a X240 i5 1080p Thinkpad with additional bigger battery for a whopping 8-9 hours of continuous use, again 100% working under Debian Linux, plus 4 or 5 netbooks, all 100% supported. I could count other models I installed to friends, colleagues and relatives, all perfectly supported. Linux supports a lot of hardware if you don't rush to buy the very last model, which wouldn't be advisable anyway for other reasons.
- pjmlp 5y agoSo you had issues but it isn't true,....
- paranoidrobot 5y agoI've got four laptops running linux, with all their features working. I stuck a USB stick with Ubuntu/Pop OS on it and booted, they ran and everything worked. Thinkpads are famous for working great with Linux. The HP and Asus that I had worked great until their hardware failed.
- gonzus 5y agoThis is simply not true. I have been using Linux (Ubuntu) on my work laptop (Dell) for at least four years, and have used Linux on my personal laptop for much longer. Please don't spread FUD.