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From the article: >Elevator pitch: Bring enough light to simulate daylight into your home and office. >This idea has been shared in Less Wrong circles for a c
by pelario 5y ago
From the article:
>Elevator pitch: Bring enough light to simulate daylight into your home and office.
>This idea has been shared in Less Wrong circles for a couple years. Yudkowsky wrote Inadequate Equilibria in 2017 where he and his wife invented the idea
- thewakalix 5y agoYes, I read the same article. Do you believe, based on a single word, that the author believes that literally zero people in the entire course of human history have ever suggested “brighter lights” until Yudkowsky came along?
- drcongo 5y agoI don't know who any of these people are, but that is exactly what the article says, so why should we not believe that that's what the author believes?
- sokoloff 5y agoBecause it’s far more likely that the author chose slightly wrong words that ended up conflating a specific invention with being the first human “to invent the idea” that “hey, brighter lights would be closer to obviously brighter daylight” only 5 years ago. I’d wager that the author realizes that more than half of adults today had that insight sometime prior to 2017.
- jl6 5y agoSome people read websites the way they would read a math proof. One tiny error and the whole thing comes down. A more charitable reading is often perfectly appropriate.
- necovek 5y agoIf you are reading it as a math proof, I am only disputing the claim when the idea was invented. As I don't bring up the rest of the article's points, I am neither supporting nor refuting them with that particular comment. Math (or actually, logic) is a bit more resilient than you make it out to be.
- forgetfulness 5y agoThe LessWrong community is known for self-citations all over the place and heavy use of jargon created by themselves, and words redefined as terms-of-art. In light of this, if a member claims that one of their prominent figures "invented" something, you better take the claim at face value.
- drcongo 5y agoOn the flip side, interpreting everything you read through your own lenses of experience and bias instead of assuming that the author meant what they wrote seems fraught with pitfalls.
- necovek 5y agoUse of the word "invention" is usually a red flag. I've certainly done a number of things I never had knowledge of any prior art on, but I never said I "invented" those things. If I wanted to, I'd probably go and research prior art first before making use of the word. Also, I'd say that the article author is not referring just to brighter light as the invention, but rather as the use of extremely bright light indoors for different psychological effects.
- pelario 5y agoNo one in the parent posts has said anything about "literally zero people". The OP made a claim ("invented in 2017"), and this very claim is being criticized. I found perplexing that you interpret the very same words in almost opposite ways.
- teknopaul 5y agoI cant find it again but I read an article about how brightness goes up with technology and human spend roughly the same proportion of income on light. Kind of disproving the led efficiency is good for the environment argument. Not revolutionary, better to break that pattern.
- uoaei 5y agoYou contradict yourself. If humans spend same proportion of income on lumens, and you get more lumens per watt, then you will use less wattage per the same proportion of income. Ergo LEDs are more efficient.
- zargon 5y agoAre you thinking about the cost of the physical lights? Because what is being discussed is the cost of energy.