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Sadly there is no sources of the kind to my knowledge. Unfortunately all sources are overloaded with extreme simplification where Ukraine is angel and Russia i

Sadly there is no sources of the kind to my knowledge. Unfortunately all sources are overloaded with extreme simplification where Ukraine is angel and Russia is evil. It's tempting to believe in, although it's very far from truth. Perhaps the only way to understand reasons and way of thinking each side has - listen to what Russia is saying over course of years, read about atrocities ukrainian army and nazi-style battalions did in eastern Ukraine for last 8 years. Read about nazi-style military camps growing in Ukraine last years. All those things are rarely getting light in media. Putting a crying girl and "fuck you Putin" sells much better than in depth analysis or understanding why Putin did what he did. Hopefully I am wrong, but this kind of ignorance can lead to much much bigger troubles than current ones. Try to read more of what both sides are saying, but be aware that ukrainian media is propaganda at it's best (would be better to put worst) so whatever they say should be taken with huge grin of salt.

dondraper36 5y ago
Simplication is evil, I agree. I don't know why trying to criticize false dichotomies is perceived as support for aggression or war. As you said, it doesn't require a lot of intellectual efforts to attach simplistic labels and be satisfied. I am not, however,satisifed with definite answers whether it's in software engineering or even global events
- ptr 5y ago
  You cannot have all information, and trying to analyze things too far and “fairly” leads to paralysis by analysis. In software, but also in real life. Russia knows that the West is prone to that, so it’s been used in their propaganda for 50+ years. Interestingly, their propaganda has degraded in quality lately. Sometimes you have to pick a side. I choose the West and democracy (yes I know it’s very much imperfect). It’s up to you which side you’re on. But remember that inaction in the face of aggression is helping the aggressor, and paralysis by analysis is inaction. Maybe it sounds harsh, but people around me are talking about going to Ukraine to fight. For our principles and for Ukraine. For democracy.
  - dondraper36 5y ago
    I agree with your point. "Analysis paralysis" is what describes my current state of mind regarding the situation. In my case, it's even more complicated. Even though I am not living in Russia, I speak Russian and my family is for the most part of Russian origin. The Russian community these days is broken into 2 parts which sometimes even results in serious disputes among generations. Almost no one in Russia supports the aggression, probably except for the older generation who spend most of their time watching the official television where everything is justified
    - corinroyal 5y ago
      What you are feeling is not "analysis paralysis". It is right that you search for context and nuance. Only fools take action before knowing the basic facts of the matter. Keep looking for truth. It is available with a little work.
- jesterson 5y ago
  Absolutely so. You see why this comment is downvoted? I've said something that doesn't fit narratives and people just downvote. Easy peasy, no intellectual efforts needed, just put a like or ukraininan flag in support and it will feel good. If only things would have been so simple.. Thank you for being intellectually curious. Regrettably not many people venture into it nowadays.
artem247 5y ago
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dondraper36 5y ago

Simplication is evil, I agree. I don't know why trying to criticize false dichotomies is perceived as support for aggression or war. As you said, it doesn't require a lot of intellectual efforts to attach simplistic labels and be satisfied. I am not, however,satisifed with definite answers whether it's in software engineering or even global events

ptr 5y ago
You cannot have all information, and trying to analyze things too far and “fairly” leads to paralysis by analysis. In software, but also in real life. Russia knows that the West is prone to that, so it’s been used in their propaganda for 50+ years. Interestingly, their propaganda has degraded in quality lately. Sometimes you have to pick a side. I choose the West and democracy (yes I know it’s very much imperfect). It’s up to you which side you’re on. But remember that inaction in the face of aggression is helping the aggressor, and paralysis by analysis is inaction. Maybe it sounds harsh, but people around me are talking about going to Ukraine to fight. For our principles and for Ukraine. For democracy.
- dondraper36 5y ago
  I agree with your point. "Analysis paralysis" is what describes my current state of mind regarding the situation. In my case, it's even more complicated. Even though I am not living in Russia, I speak Russian and my family is for the most part of Russian origin. The Russian community these days is broken into 2 parts which sometimes even results in serious disputes among generations. Almost no one in Russia supports the aggression, probably except for the older generation who spend most of their time watching the official television where everything is justified
  - corinroyal 5y ago
    What you are feeling is not "analysis paralysis". It is right that you search for context and nuance. Only fools take action before knowing the basic facts of the matter. Keep looking for truth. It is available with a little work.
jesterson 5y ago
Absolutely so. You see why this comment is downvoted? I've said something that doesn't fit narratives and people just downvote. Easy peasy, no intellectual efforts needed, just put a like or ukraininan flag in support and it will feel good. If only things would have been so simple.. Thank you for being intellectually curious. Regrettably not many people venture into it nowadays.

artem247 5y ago

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