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> Google Cloud/AWS I mean, this is just operations. Unless startups start investing their entire series A into hardware and colocation contracts, they gotta ha

by judge2020 5y ago

> Google Cloud/AWS I mean, this is just operations. Unless startups start investing their entire series A into hardware and colocation contracts, they gotta have somewhere to compute their code. > You see a lot of them offering basic Webmail/Calendar, but couldn't they go beyond that and use that as a possible revenue stream to compete with the big cloud providers? That's because webmail and calendar are extremely easy to run with off-the-shelf software and a small team maintaining patches for it. As soon as you get into document collaboration, video calls, data retention/data loss prevention, SAML/LDAP, offering PBs of storage, etc. you end up needing a huge engineering team for each of those respective products, especially if you don't want to become stagnant on features and lose out on the value front.

idiocrat 5y ago
> investing their entire series A into hardware and colocation contracts I have the feeling for 80% of series-A startups, their entire client base could be served from 3 recycled notebooks locked in a janitor's room.
tluyben2 5y ago
> Unless startups start investing their entire series A into hardware and colocation contracts, Most startups can run on a $10/mo vps. Probably many fully grown companies can get away with not much more. The ‘everything cloud’ thing is popular and many investors see it as a sign the cto is an expert when the hosting bills for cloud hosting is high as possible, so I understand why it happens a lot.
- aitchnyu 5y ago
  I'm nervous about straying from Django ecosystem for its productivity. And people smarter than me using Rails have made peace with their sky high server bills. Has this changed?
  - rglullis 5y ago
    That was never a thing. I had django websites running on 2GB of RAM at webfaction (shared hosting) with databases that got techcrunched and went on fine. I had sites with Django/Celery/Postgresql on a single server with 8GB RAM which worked fine for years. Unless you have an unbelievably I/O or CPU heavy application, the tech stack is not going to be your bottleneck until you are in the tens of thousands of concurrent users.
    - tluyben2 5y ago
      Yep. One of our most used products is a Django site and it’s been on a 2gb server with MySQL and celery since 2013. No problems at all. Also 0 downtime, literally. Sometimes you get lucky!

idiocrat 5y ago

> investing their entire series A into hardware and colocation contracts I have the feeling for 80% of series-A startups, their entire client base could be served from 3 recycled notebooks locked in a janitor's room.

tluyben2 5y ago

> Unless startups start investing their entire series A into hardware and colocation contracts, Most startups can run on a $10/mo vps. Probably many fully grown companies can get away with not much more. The ‘everything cloud’ thing is popular and many investors see it as a sign the cto is an expert when the hosting bills for cloud hosting is high as possible, so I understand why it happens a lot.

aitchnyu 5y ago
I'm nervous about straying from Django ecosystem for its productivity. And people smarter than me using Rails have made peace with their sky high server bills. Has this changed?
- rglullis 5y ago
  That was never a thing. I had django websites running on 2GB of RAM at webfaction (shared hosting) with databases that got techcrunched and went on fine. I had sites with Django/Celery/Postgresql on a single server with 8GB RAM which worked fine for years. Unless you have an unbelievably I/O or CPU heavy application, the tech stack is not going to be your bottleneck until you are in the tens of thousands of concurrent users.
  - tluyben2 5y ago
    Yep. One of our most used products is a Django site and it’s been on a 2gb server with MySQL and celery since 2013. No problems at all. Also 0 downtime, literally. Sometimes you get lucky!