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Yup. There's literally no reason. My manager keeps bringing up the next year of hard work ahead of me to make it to the next level, and it makes me want to puke

Yup. There's literally no reason. My manager keeps bringing up the next year of hard work ahead of me to make it to the next level, and it makes me want to puke. I can just leave now for another company to get to that level. But the truth is also that the interviews are tough, leetcoding and system design is not easy without alot of study

mooreds 5y ago
> But the truth is also that the interviews are tough, leetcoding and system design is not easy without alot of study Very true. There is also the fact that when you are in a company, you know the pitfalls and areas to avoid (or at least you might have a chance to do so). When you are moving to a newco, you have less insight (hence the power of the backchannel reference check; good for candidates as well as employers). That said, the issue of comp not changing without job hopping seems to be a big one. There've been several good discussions here and elsewhere about it. Here's a favorite twitter convo: https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1484071572314804224 https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1484071572314804224
MattGaiser 5y ago
I find the idea of managers still thinking of employees in terms of years to be fascinating. In Canada at least, 2 years makes you an absolute veteran at many companies.
- Lascaille 5y ago
  >In Canada at least, 2 years makes you an absolute veteran at many companies. This explains the absolute state of many companies. Zero institutional knowledge, and no, a Wiki doesn't cut it.
  - MattGaiser 5y ago
    And devs aren't really incentivized to develop any. You will be gone in a year anyway.
  - ihateolives 5y ago
    Wiki would be at least of some help. My last job had no documentation about processes at all, current one has a wiki, but it's outdated in many places, because massive effort was put to get it running, but then it was marked "done!" and nobody really cares for updating it. But officially we do have wiki, so there, we're organized now.
mattkrause 5y ago
It’s interesting how the harrowing interview process resembles an emergent, self-organized form of labor market collusion.

mooreds 5y ago

> But the truth is also that the interviews are tough, leetcoding and system design is not easy without alot of study Very true. There is also the fact that when you are in a company, you know the pitfalls and areas to avoid (or at least you might have a chance to do so). When you are moving to a newco, you have less insight (hence the power of the backchannel reference check; good for candidates as well as employers). That said, the issue of comp not changing without job hopping seems to be a big one. There've been several good discussions here and elsewhere about it. Here's a favorite twitter convo: https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1484071572314804224 https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1484071572314804224

MattGaiser 5y ago

I find the idea of managers still thinking of employees in terms of years to be fascinating. In Canada at least, 2 years makes you an absolute veteran at many companies.

Lascaille 5y ago
>In Canada at least, 2 years makes you an absolute veteran at many companies. This explains the absolute state of many companies. Zero institutional knowledge, and no, a Wiki doesn't cut it.
- MattGaiser 5y ago
  And devs aren't really incentivized to develop any. You will be gone in a year anyway.
- ihateolives 5y ago
  Wiki would be at least of some help. My last job had no documentation about processes at all, current one has a wiki, but it's outdated in many places, because massive effort was put to get it running, but then it was marked "done!" and nobody really cares for updating it. But officially we do have wiki, so there, we're organized now.

mattkrause 5y ago

It’s interesting how the harrowing interview process resembles an emergent, self-organized form of labor market collusion.