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>Had the initial plan of decapitating the government Why people assume that the Russian plan was to occupy whole Ukraine (the largest European country after Ru

by fuoqi 5y ago

>Had the initial plan of decapitating the government Why people assume that the Russian plan was to occupy whole Ukraine (the largest European country after Russia) in just several days? Even in Georgia with its much smaller army and territory it took them 5 days to be close to capturing its capital. As another example: it took US several weeks to conquer Iraq, which again is smaller than Ukraine and has a much denser distribution of population centers. Also unlike certain countries Russia does not want to bomb Ukraine into the stone age before moving ground troops in and instead it tries to keep whatever loyal parts of the populace it has there.

gambiting 5y ago
>>Why people assume that Russian plan was to capture whole of Ukraine I literally haven't seen anyone assuming that. All theories seem to be about Russian army going in, getting rid of the government and replacing it with whatever arrangement works for Russia, then going back home.
- fuoqi 5y ago
  In my understanding, the GP states that "the initial plan" should've ended by now.
- native_samples 5y ago
  If you read the newspapers you'll see this assumption is universal. They are describing his campaign as having run aground, delayed, going badly etc because he didn't take the entire country in 24 hours. Feels like war propaganda.
hollerith 5y ago
>unlike certain countries Russia does not want to bomb Ukraine into the stone age before moving ground troops in I read or heard (maybe on http://iswresearch.org/ http://iswresearch.org/) that Russia has very few smart bombs. If they had plenty, they might've used them as liberally as the US did in Iraq in 2004.
tim333 5y ago
I assume the plan was to go to Kiev, get rid of the government and install a Putin stooge. Had: >Zelensky rejects US evacuation offer: I need ammunition, ‘not a ride’ gone the other way it probably would have worked.

by fuoqi 5y ago

gambiting 5y ago

>>Why people assume that Russian plan was to capture whole of Ukraine I literally haven't seen anyone assuming that. All theories seem to be about Russian army going in, getting rid of the government and replacing it with whatever arrangement works for Russia, then going back home.

fuoqi 5y ago
In my understanding, the GP states that "the initial plan" should've ended by now.
native_samples 5y ago
If you read the newspapers you'll see this assumption is universal. They are describing his campaign as having run aground, delayed, going badly etc because he didn't take the entire country in 24 hours. Feels like war propaganda.

hollerith 5y ago

>unlike certain countries Russia does not want to bomb Ukraine into the stone age before moving ground troops in I read or heard (maybe on http://iswresearch.org/ http://iswresearch.org/) that Russia has very few smart bombs. If they had plenty, they might've used them as liberally as the US did in Iraq in 2004.

tim333 5y ago

I assume the plan was to go to Kiev, get rid of the government and install a Putin stooge. Had: >Zelensky rejects US evacuation offer: I need ammunition, ‘not a ride’ gone the other way it probably would have worked.