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Nuclear war is a HUGE step up from any of the previous steps. Like you could build a binary system based on those principles, with Nuclear War being 1 and the

Nuclear war is a HUGE step up from any of the previous steps. Like you could build a binary system based on those principles, with Nuclear War being 1 and the rest being noise that's equivalent to 0. The only way he'd entertain it is if he's truly lost his marbles, and if that's the case then this timeline just got a whole lot shittier regardless of whether we capitulate to the madman with the nukes or not. I sincerely doubt western institutions are going to show their bellies because of Putin's nuclear threats, so we'll see if he's bluffing one way or another.

firebaze 5y ago
Go for it. I took care of my family, ~50miles away from the next big city, rivers, farmland and enough supplies around us. I'd rather laugh on my stupidity later on.
- altdataseller 5y ago
  Sorry, but unless you got a deep bunker with years of supplies, you probably won't survive a large scale nuclear war.
hrunt 5y ago
You are assuming a rational actor. Putin may not be a rational actor.
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  That's normally my comment. For those that still insist that Putin is rational, there's one way to model his current behaviour: his utility function prioritises "make Russia great again", or at the very least, geopolitical concerns. He's willing to take whatever hit he needs to take, whether economically or in the lives of soldiers and civilians, to achieve this goal.
- scottLobster 5y ago
  And if he isn't? Then we have nuclear war. Or we let Putin dictate international politics for however long he has left, and tell China/North Korea/every other bad actor that gets nukes for the rest of time that the game is "be serious about launching nukes offensively and you'll get whatever you want". How do you think that'll work long term? It's that, or Putin at least maintains a shred of rationality. Or his inner circle takes him out before he pushes the button.
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firebaze 5y ago

Go for it. I took care of my family, ~50miles away from the next big city, rivers, farmland and enough supplies around us. I'd rather laugh on my stupidity later on.

altdataseller 5y ago
Sorry, but unless you got a deep bunker with years of supplies, you probably won't survive a large scale nuclear war.

hrunt 5y ago

You are assuming a rational actor. Putin may not be a rational actor.

selfhoster11 5y ago
That's normally my comment. For those that still insist that Putin is rational, there's one way to model his current behaviour: his utility function prioritises "make Russia great again", or at the very least, geopolitical concerns. He's willing to take whatever hit he needs to take, whether economically or in the lives of soldiers and civilians, to achieve this goal.
scottLobster 5y ago
And if he isn't? Then we have nuclear war. Or we let Putin dictate international politics for however long he has left, and tell China/North Korea/every other bad actor that gets nukes for the rest of time that the game is "be serious about launching nukes offensively and you'll get whatever you want". How do you think that'll work long term? It's that, or Putin at least maintains a shred of rationality. Or his inner circle takes him out before he pushes the button.
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