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There is only one thing he needs to do to lift the sanctions, and that is independant from his conquests. That is: leave the Ukraine. Actually, it is the other

by _ph_ 5y ago

There is only one thing he needs to do to lift the sanctions, and that is independant from his conquests. That is: leave the Ukraine. Actually, it is the other way around. The less damage is done, the more likely is a quick lift of sanctions.

thriftwy 5y ago
There's no legal mechanism which will automatically terminate these sanctions (which, I believe, are placed by different entities in ad hoc basis, as opposed as centralized control) over Putin leaving Ukraine. If Putin leaves Ukraine, the asset freezing and all the other stuff stays, and may be discussed later. That's why he won't leave Ukraine even under heavy discomfort of maintaining that presence.
- newaccount74 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure most countries would be eager to lift the sanctions rather quickly, since they are losing a lot of business due to the sanctions. If Putin really stopped the invasion, then the sanctions would probably be undone rather quickly.
  - Mountain_Skies 5y ago
    If it becomes apparent that Russia is going to stay in Ukraine, business interests will immediately start prodding their governments for special exceptions. There will start off on humanitarian grounds, like medicines and medical devices but we've seen with sanctions on other countries that over time these exceptions grow, often due to financial interests of the well connected. You'll probably never be able to export cheese to Russia but lots of things with dual uses will get approved for export and then used for both uses even though only approved for one use.
    - NoPie 5y ago
      I think that Putin has crossed the line and the EU will not give up sanctions easily. The EU just announced that will provide financing for fighter jets that will be given to Ukraine. The EU president also said that will accept Ukraine in the EU (with due improvements of course). They are really big announcements. Everything has changed during these days.
      - dboreham 5y ago
        Putin's huge mistake was that he pissed off regular people in the west. Through snapchat and tiktok etc young people have become aware in a new way how much of a dick he is. These people then put pressure on their governments to act.
        User23 5y ago
        That’s a laugh. It’s already been proven that regular people in the west have literally no political say[1]. What we can infer is that western oligarchs are committed to Ukraine or at least are firmly anti-Russian. [1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli...
- _ph_ 5y ago
  There is no need for such a mechanism. But the quicker he leaves Ukraine and the less damage he causes, the more likely it is, that the West would relax the sanctions. (I could easily imagine opening up North Stream 2 quickly, if the money paid for the gas would go to Ukraine until the damages are compensated for)

by _ph_ 5y ago

thriftwy 5y ago

There's no legal mechanism which will automatically terminate these sanctions (which, I believe, are placed by different entities in ad hoc basis, as opposed as centralized control) over Putin leaving Ukraine. If Putin leaves Ukraine, the asset freezing and all the other stuff stays, and may be discussed later. That's why he won't leave Ukraine even under heavy discomfort of maintaining that presence.

newaccount74 5y ago
I'm pretty sure most countries would be eager to lift the sanctions rather quickly, since they are losing a lot of business due to the sanctions. If Putin really stopped the invasion, then the sanctions would probably be undone rather quickly.
- Mountain_Skies 5y ago
  If it becomes apparent that Russia is going to stay in Ukraine, business interests will immediately start prodding their governments for special exceptions. There will start off on humanitarian grounds, like medicines and medical devices but we've seen with sanctions on other countries that over time these exceptions grow, often due to financial interests of the well connected. You'll probably never be able to export cheese to Russia but lots of things with dual uses will get approved for export and then used for both uses even though only approved for one use.
  - NoPie 5y ago
    I think that Putin has crossed the line and the EU will not give up sanctions easily. The EU just announced that will provide financing for fighter jets that will be given to Ukraine. The EU president also said that will accept Ukraine in the EU (with due improvements of course). They are really big announcements. Everything has changed during these days.
    - dboreham 5y ago
      Putin's huge mistake was that he pissed off regular people in the west. Through snapchat and tiktok etc young people have become aware in a new way how much of a dick he is. These people then put pressure on their governments to act.
      - User23 5y ago
        That’s a laugh. It’s already been proven that regular people in the west have literally no political say[1]. What we can infer is that western oligarchs are committed to Ukraine or at least are firmly anti-Russian. [1] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-poli...
_ph_ 5y ago
There is no need for such a mechanism. But the quicker he leaves Ukraine and the less damage he causes, the more likely it is, that the West would relax the sanctions. (I could easily imagine opening up North Stream 2 quickly, if the money paid for the gas would go to Ukraine until the damages are compensated for)