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See previously "Gabe Newell Wants to Support Linux, Because Windows 8 is a 'Catastrophe'" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4293046 https://news.ycombinato

by homarp 5y ago

See previously "Gabe Newell Wants to Support Linux, Because Windows 8 is a 'Catastrophe'" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4293046 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4293046 Proton is nice, but still is a wrapper 'behind' what Microsoft can decide to do to make sure they are 'ahead'. From a strategic point of view, this is annoying for Valve. It makes more sense for Valve to try to get more SteamOS only games (and the Steam Deck should help with that), because they control that platform end-to-end (apart from manufacturing their CPU, it's close to what Apple does: Steam store + Steam hardware )

mahkoh 5y ago
If developers start targeting proton, then Valve will be the gatekeeper that decides which windows apis get widespread adoption in games. Contrary to what the title says, proton will become the stable win32 api. Microsoft's distribution of the proton api could then be called "upstream" or "rolling release".
- pjmlp 5y ago
  Proton doesn't do XBox.
  - boondaburrah 5y ago
    I mean FreeBSD doesn't do Orbis (PS4) games either. Windows and XBox are a bit more like Linux and Android AFAIK (though UWP is a different thing, apparently).
- lewispollard 5y ago
  > If developers start targeting proton, then Valve will be the gatekeeper Proton is basically wine + dxvk + esync/fsync/wait_v with some community patches (e.g. using a "fake" fullscreen mode that scales up to native res rather than switching resolutions explicitly) and integration for e.g. steam input handler. In other words they're bundling up a bunch of open source tech with sane configuration and adding a few steam integration patches. And it's all open source, on github, too. There isn't much that Valve does explicitly in regards to what windows APIs are supported, and what they do develop and fix gets submitted to upstream wine (though not everything is accepted, I guess). I suppose, if Proton usage explodes such that the bulk of patches to wine get submitted by Valve devs, what you said would be true, but so far that isn't really the case.

by homarp 5y ago

mahkoh 5y ago

If developers start targeting proton, then Valve will be the gatekeeper that decides which windows apis get widespread adoption in games. Contrary to what the title says, proton will become the stable win32 api. Microsoft's distribution of the proton api could then be called "upstream" or "rolling release".

pjmlp 5y ago
Proton doesn't do XBox.
- boondaburrah 5y ago
  I mean FreeBSD doesn't do Orbis (PS4) games either. Windows and XBox are a bit more like Linux and Android AFAIK (though UWP is a different thing, apparently).
lewispollard 5y ago
> If developers start targeting proton, then Valve will be the gatekeeper Proton is basically wine + dxvk + esync/fsync/wait_v with some community patches (e.g. using a "fake" fullscreen mode that scales up to native res rather than switching resolutions explicitly) and integration for e.g. steam input handler. In other words they're bundling up a bunch of open source tech with sane configuration and adding a few steam integration patches. And it's all open source, on github, too. There isn't much that Valve does explicitly in regards to what windows APIs are supported, and what they do develop and fix gets submitted to upstream wine (though not everything is accepted, I guess). I suppose, if Proton usage explodes such that the bulk of patches to wine get submitted by Valve devs, what you said would be true, but so far that isn't really the case.