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This has been "coming" for years, I'm sick of seeing the Ethereum community use it as a way to whitewash their wasteful PoW excess. You and everyone else should

by omni 5y ago

This has been "coming" for years, I'm sick of seeing the Ethereum community use it as a way to whitewash their wasteful PoW excess. You and everyone else should stop even talking about it until it's shipped.

vmception 5y ago
> It is important to note that an implementation goal of The Merge is simplicity in order to expedite the transition from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake. Developers are focusing their efforts on this transition, and minimizing additional features that could delay this goal. This is the exact forum to discuss this. I can't wait till your kind of vitriol has no legs to stand on.
- omni 5y ago
  It's okay, that time is "coming" (will never arrive)
  - vmception 5y ago
    I guess this puts me in an interesting spot where I'm both A) content with the progress given the existence of the beacon chain B) don't care if the merge is delayed again, delayed indefinitely, or Proof of Work never gets turned off for some reason so although its tempting to get defensive I guess my real response is "okay? I don't care."
    - TheDudeMan 5y ago
      Doesn't it seem like PoW is a bad use of our limited electricity resources?
      - kragen 5y ago
        Electricity resources aren't limited; electricity gets cheaper when you install more solar panels, not more expensive. That will continue to be the case for the next three orders of magnitude of marketed energy consumption growth.
        TheDudeMan 5y ago
        When does it start? https://www.statista.com/statistics/183700/us-average-retail-electricity-price-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/183700/us-average-retail...
        kragen 5y ago
        In six years, most places, though places like Chile and the UAE are already seeing the benefits.
        ianai 5y ago
        How are you measuring this? Got a link?
        kragen 5y ago
        Some of my older notes on the topic are listed in https://dercuano.github.io/topics/energy.html https://dercuano.github.io/topics/energy.html, and there are further notes in Derctuo and Dernocua. Unfortunately I don't have a very clear summary anywhere.
        ianai 5y ago
        Those are some cool reads!
        kragen 5y ago
        Thanks! I didn't know anybody was reading any of them.
        ianai 5y ago
        I actually stayed at Arcosanti for a few days in college. Very cool concept that I wish had more traction. Maybe with a touch of what people are ready for today.
- antifa 5y ago
  > vitriol Climate change is more important than being excessively polite to you for years.

by omni 5y ago

vmception 5y ago

> It is important to note that an implementation goal of The Merge is simplicity in order to expedite the transition from proof-of-work to proof-of-stake. Developers are focusing their efforts on this transition, and minimizing additional features that could delay this goal. This is the exact forum to discuss this. I can't wait till your kind of vitriol has no legs to stand on.

omni 5y ago
It's okay, that time is "coming" (will never arrive)
- vmception 5y ago
  I guess this puts me in an interesting spot where I'm both A) content with the progress given the existence of the beacon chain B) don't care if the merge is delayed again, delayed indefinitely, or Proof of Work never gets turned off for some reason so although its tempting to get defensive I guess my real response is "okay? I don't care."
  - TheDudeMan 5y ago
    Doesn't it seem like PoW is a bad use of our limited electricity resources?
    - kragen 5y ago
      Electricity resources aren't limited; electricity gets cheaper when you install more solar panels, not more expensive. That will continue to be the case for the next three orders of magnitude of marketed energy consumption growth.
      - TheDudeMan 5y ago
        When does it start? https://www.statista.com/statistics/183700/us-average-retail-electricity-price-since-1990/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/183700/us-average-retail...
        kragen 5y ago
        In six years, most places, though places like Chile and the UAE are already seeing the benefits.
        ianai 5y ago
        How are you measuring this? Got a link?
        kragen 5y ago
        Some of my older notes on the topic are listed in https://dercuano.github.io/topics/energy.html https://dercuano.github.io/topics/energy.html, and there are further notes in Derctuo and Dernocua. Unfortunately I don't have a very clear summary anywhere.
        ianai 5y ago
        Those are some cool reads!
        kragen 5y ago
        Thanks! I didn't know anybody was reading any of them.
        ianai 5y ago
        I actually stayed at Arcosanti for a few days in college. Very cool concept that I wish had more traction. Maybe with a touch of what people are ready for today.
antifa 5y ago
> vitriol Climate change is more important than being excessively polite to you for years.