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>By the way, don't expect AMD to act any better. Remember that they're the company bringing you Pluton: quoted from the article, "Pluton will also prevent peopl

>By the way, don't expect AMD to act any better. Remember that they're the company bringing you Pluton: quoted from the article, "Pluton will also prevent people from running software that has been modified without the permission of developers." It wouldn't be surprising to see AMD's Platform Security Processor pick up additional lock-in capabilities to reinforce this and other vendor controls. So the title should be Intel and AMD are getting worse.

loeg 5y ago
The whole thing is wild speculation.
based2 5y ago
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/01/pluton-microsofts-new-security-chip-will-finally-be-put-to-the-test/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/01/pluto...
agumonkey 5y ago
I'll be so happy to drop advanced processors and go back to esp32 / risc-v based machines running my tiny OS and my tiny lisp repl
- analognoise 5y ago
  I've been thinking the same thing, but on an FPGA. Just ditch the whole thing and live in an alternate computing reality.
  - donkarma 5y ago
    sounds like the precursor https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor
mjg59 5y ago
I've seen literally zero evidence that the assertion that Pluton will prevent you running modified software is true.
- userbinator 5y ago
  They learned from the whole "trusted computing" experiments in the late 90s and early 2000s that restrictions need to be introduced slowly. It's not hard to see where they're going though. Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29859106 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29859106
  - mjg59 5y ago
    Related discussion in which I make it extremely clear that there's no meaningful evidence to support this assertion, and that Pluton doesn't change the status quo compared to basically every system being sold today having a TPM anyway
    - userbinator 5y ago
      You can try to further the industry narrative as much as you want, but it's clear that people are waking up to the disinformation campaign as the walls start closing in. Stallman already warned us over two decades ago, and plenty of dystopian sci-fi before that showed what this "treacherous computing" future could be like if we don't fight back. And, "no meaningful evidence"? Really? You sound like the WHO talking about COVID not being humanly transmissible ~2y ago, or that there was no evidence masks did anything; and we all know how that went... But do feel free to continue helping them build better nooses to put around our necks --- including your own --- while continuing to preach about how good they are.
      - pabs3 5y ago
        Here is mjg59's post about Pluton where he discusses this: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/58125.html https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/58125.html

loeg 5y ago

The whole thing is wild speculation.

based2 5y ago

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/01/pluton-microsofts-new-security-chip-will-finally-be-put-to-the-test/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/01/pluto...

agumonkey 5y ago

I'll be so happy to drop advanced processors and go back to esp32 / risc-v based machines running my tiny OS and my tiny lisp repl

analognoise 5y ago
I've been thinking the same thing, but on an FPGA. Just ditch the whole thing and live in an alternate computing reality.
- donkarma 5y ago
  sounds like the precursor https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor https://www.crowdsupply.com/sutajio-kosagi/precursor

mjg59 5y ago

I've seen literally zero evidence that the assertion that Pluton will prevent you running modified software is true.

userbinator 5y ago
They learned from the whole "trusted computing" experiments in the late 90s and early 2000s that restrictions need to be introduced slowly. It's not hard to see where they're going though. Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29859106 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29859106
- mjg59 5y ago
  Related discussion in which I make it extremely clear that there's no meaningful evidence to support this assertion, and that Pluton doesn't change the status quo compared to basically every system being sold today having a TPM anyway
  - userbinator 5y ago
    You can try to further the industry narrative as much as you want, but it's clear that people are waking up to the disinformation campaign as the walls start closing in. Stallman already warned us over two decades ago, and plenty of dystopian sci-fi before that showed what this "treacherous computing" future could be like if we don't fight back. And, "no meaningful evidence"? Really? You sound like the WHO talking about COVID not being humanly transmissible ~2y ago, or that there was no evidence masks did anything; and we all know how that went... But do feel free to continue helping them build better nooses to put around our necks --- including your own --- while continuing to preach about how good they are.
    - pabs3 5y ago
      Here is mjg59's post about Pluton where he discusses this: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/58125.html https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/58125.html