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This was the same conclusion I came to as well. Both for my personal projects, and what I now recommend at work when the subject of potential Linux ports comes

This was the same conclusion I came to as well. Both for my personal projects, and what I now recommend at work when the subject of potential Linux ports comes up, is that if WINE is good enough to run it why not just do that?

smoldesu 5y ago
As a Linux user, I'm generally fine with that "WINE support" mentality, as long as the application isn't demanding (like an NLE, photo editor, DAW, etc). There's a ton of Windows-only tools that I have no problem using on a regular basis, like Lunar IPS and Winamp.
- lnxg33k1 5y ago
  >> Winamp My hero
  - derefr 5y ago
    Is there still as yet no Linux-native reimplementation of Winamp? (in the sense that it's a lightweight program that 1. plays music and 2. loads Winamp skins + faithfully renders its UI using them, presumably being designed from the ground up primarily to use Winamp skins.) That's doubly-surprising, given that there's already a web reimplementation of Winamp (https://webamp.org/ https://webamp.org/) that does those things. (And it's "lightweight" in terms of not pulling in any JS frameworks; but not especially "lightweight" in terms of you needing a full web browser to run it.)
    - bitwize 5y ago
      There's XMMS and Audacious. XMMS started life as X11Amp.
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      Wasn't audacious (https://audacious-media-player.org/ https://audacious-media-player.org/) supposed to be that? ;o
    - marcodiego 5y ago
      To get a good retro feeling, I once compiled the most recent gtk 1.x version available and then compiled xmms on a raspberry pi. Worked flawlessly. But yes, there are modern and maintained implementations that support winamp skins. I think qmmp is one of those.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      I don't really use Winamp through WINE very often, mostly just a party trick for disenfranchised Windows users :p If you're looking for a no-frills native Linux audio player, I recommend Quod Libet[0] wholeheartedly. Nothing fancy, but it has loads of organizational features bolstered by a rock-solid GTK3 codebase. Genuinely have no complaints with it, I'm really impressed with how polished and feature-complete it is.
      - lnxg33k1 5y ago
        I would also suggest Quod Libet, also for the tag editor Ex Falso
- Underphil 5y ago
  Does that technically make it Wineamp?
derefr 5y ago
I'm fine with this when it's some freestanding native-compiled C+DirectX application. But it really irritates me when the Windows version is, after all, just a bunch of scripts loaded into a scripting runtime (think e.g. Love2D, or RenPy); but then the first-party macOS/Linux downloads turn out to be WINE wrappers wrapping the Windows version of the scripting runtime, rather than using the macOS/Linux versions of the scripting runtime. I get that people don't always have multiplatform development setups; and that there are easy-to-use tools that "wrap" a Windows application into macOS/Linux versions. But these runtimes usually also have cross-"compilation" options that are just as easy to use!
- mook 5y ago
  I've actually played a Ren'Py based game with a native Linux build. Eventually I switched to running the Windows version under Wine to get working sound… that was a while back though.

smoldesu 5y ago

As a Linux user, I'm generally fine with that "WINE support" mentality, as long as the application isn't demanding (like an NLE, photo editor, DAW, etc). There's a ton of Windows-only tools that I have no problem using on a regular basis, like Lunar IPS and Winamp.

lnxg33k1 5y ago
>> Winamp My hero
- derefr 5y ago
  Is there still as yet no Linux-native reimplementation of Winamp? (in the sense that it's a lightweight program that 1. plays music and 2. loads Winamp skins + faithfully renders its UI using them, presumably being designed from the ground up primarily to use Winamp skins.) That's doubly-surprising, given that there's already a web reimplementation of Winamp (https://webamp.org/ https://webamp.org/) that does those things. (And it's "lightweight" in terms of not pulling in any JS frameworks; but not especially "lightweight" in terms of you needing a full web browser to run it.)
  - bitwize 5y ago
    There's XMMS and Audacious. XMMS started life as X11Amp.
  - lnxg33k1 5y ago
    Wasn't audacious (https://audacious-media-player.org/ https://audacious-media-player.org/) supposed to be that? ;o
  - marcodiego 5y ago
    To get a good retro feeling, I once compiled the most recent gtk 1.x version available and then compiled xmms on a raspberry pi. Worked flawlessly. But yes, there are modern and maintained implementations that support winamp skins. I think qmmp is one of those.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    I don't really use Winamp through WINE very often, mostly just a party trick for disenfranchised Windows users :p If you're looking for a no-frills native Linux audio player, I recommend Quod Libet[0] wholeheartedly. Nothing fancy, but it has loads of organizational features bolstered by a rock-solid GTK3 codebase. Genuinely have no complaints with it, I'm really impressed with how polished and feature-complete it is.
    - lnxg33k1 5y ago
      I would also suggest Quod Libet, also for the tag editor Ex Falso
Underphil 5y ago
Does that technically make it Wineamp?

derefr 5y ago

I'm fine with this when it's some freestanding native-compiled C+DirectX application. But it really irritates me when the Windows version is, after all, just a bunch of scripts loaded into a scripting runtime (think e.g. Love2D, or RenPy); but then the first-party macOS/Linux downloads turn out to be WINE wrappers wrapping the Windows version of the scripting runtime, rather than using the macOS/Linux versions of the scripting runtime. I get that people don't always have multiplatform development setups; and that there are easy-to-use tools that "wrap" a Windows application into macOS/Linux versions. But these runtimes usually also have cross-"compilation" options that are just as easy to use!

mook 5y ago
I've actually played a Ren'Py based game with a native Linux build. Eventually I switched to running the Windows version under Wine to get working sound… that was a while back though.