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I'm never said he did have a "right to invade". I'm just trying to explain, against MUCH resistance, why he did. Because I think the real reason why this all h

by pydry 5y ago

I'm never said he did have a "right to invade". I'm just trying to explain, against MUCH resistance, why he did. Because I think the real reason why this all happened A) matters rather a lot B) is being swept under the carpet. NATO's (lack of) respect for Libya's sovereignty can perhaps explain why Putin didnt think that it would have much respect for Russia's sovereignty which is, in turn, why he didnt have much respect for Ukraine's. No country respects the sovereignty of another when it feels threatened.

jacquesm 5y ago
You seem to know Putin very well. Better than I think any outsider has a right to claim. The real reason why this happened is utterly irrelevant, but you seem to be a bit stuck on that subject as though there is a possible justification to be found there. > No country respects the sovereignty of another when it feels threatened. There was no conceivable way in which Ukraine was a threat to Russia. Full stop.
- pydry 5y ago
  He's always been a fairly plain speaker. We dont tend to always pay attention to what he says though. His rage in reaction to NATO's Libya incursion is pretty well documented even if we did ignore it. It wasnt like he was unclear that pursuing NATO membership => invasion either. >The real reason why this happened is utterly irrelevant This is precisely the way to make this kind of thing happen again and again and again...
  - jacquesm 5y ago
    > He's always been a fairly plain speaker. Are you from Russia? > This is precisely the way to make this kind of thing happen again and again and again... No, the way to make sure this won't happen again is to make sure that little tinpot dictators don't get their hands on nuclear arms. Apropos, North Korea...
  - throwaway_4ever 5y ago
    “He's always been a fairly plain speaker.” Putin: No plan for Ukrainian invasion. Western hysteria. Fairly plan liar, that is…

by pydry 5y ago

jacquesm 5y ago

You seem to know Putin very well. Better than I think any outsider has a right to claim. The real reason why this happened is utterly irrelevant, but you seem to be a bit stuck on that subject as though there is a possible justification to be found there. > No country respects the sovereignty of another when it feels threatened. There was no conceivable way in which Ukraine was a threat to Russia. Full stop.

pydry 5y ago
He's always been a fairly plain speaker. We dont tend to always pay attention to what he says though. His rage in reaction to NATO's Libya incursion is pretty well documented even if we did ignore it. It wasnt like he was unclear that pursuing NATO membership => invasion either. >The real reason why this happened is utterly irrelevant This is precisely the way to make this kind of thing happen again and again and again...
- jacquesm 5y ago
  > He's always been a fairly plain speaker. Are you from Russia? > This is precisely the way to make this kind of thing happen again and again and again... No, the way to make sure this won't happen again is to make sure that little tinpot dictators don't get their hands on nuclear arms. Apropos, North Korea...
- throwaway_4ever 5y ago
  “He's always been a fairly plain speaker.” Putin: No plan for Ukrainian invasion. Western hysteria. Fairly plan liar, that is…