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It’s not a good look at the moment to Start off with a Russian justification of the war and then present an abnormal take on the popular among non-oil dependent

by mint2 5y ago

It’s not a good look at the moment to Start off with a Russian justification of the war and then present an abnormal take on the popular among non-oil dependents green new deal, a plan that just so happens to be very inconvenient for oligarchs in old fashioned gas economies that want to continue spewing CO2 like it’s 1950 - like Russia

kkfx 5y ago
Actually I was a year-long lurker... I start exactly for this kind of conversation not to "justifying Putin" but to state that actual government, Russian gov. evidently included, are acting against their own people, so instead of taking side of one dictatorship or another it's better observing what happen and determine what can happen tomorrow. Knowing their enemies does not means being able "to do something, to fight" but at least avoid being part of their gambling against our own interest. Time ago I intervene with the same line, and got similar level of criticism, when GitHub start to appear what it is today, without at that time GitLab/sr.ht etc stating that the old series of SFnet, Savannah, FreshMet etc being just single entities doing more or less the same thing, just hosting code they are useful and not harmful while converge all toward a central platform that not only aim to be The One but also offer things to tie devs to itself is actually more harmful than good. Again less time ago when GitHub was bought by Microsoft and many cray in tear "I'll go to $someoneElse" and I observe that ditching a proprietary service for another is a nonsense. Essentially my point is pushing who read my comments to reason "about the big picture" instead of drive by emotions and propaganda/sheep effect of that time. Unfortunately while some agree many seems to reject even the idea. Oh, about spewing CO₂ and Green New Deal: I totally agree that pollution (so not only CO₂) is really harmful BUT the actual green new deal is green in the dollar-green sense, in the stereotypical colors of chemical poisons spewed by rusty barrels we see on comics/movies etc NOT in the sense of green grass of the spring. And I still observe the same criticism pattern, even when I add that I'm actually invested in a new home, a p.v. system etc and I'm happy of that...

by mint2 5y ago

kkfx 5y ago

Actually I was a year-long lurker... I start exactly for this kind of conversation not to "justifying Putin" but to state that actual government, Russian gov. evidently included, are acting against their own people, so instead of taking side of one dictatorship or another it's better observing what happen and determine what can happen tomorrow. Knowing their enemies does not means being able "to do something, to fight" but at least avoid being part of their gambling against our own interest. Time ago I intervene with the same line, and got similar level of criticism, when GitHub start to appear what it is today, without at that time GitLab/sr.ht etc stating that the old series of SFnet, Savannah, FreshMet etc being just single entities doing more or less the same thing, just hosting code they are useful and not harmful while converge all toward a central platform that not only aim to be The One but also offer things to tie devs to itself is actually more harmful than good. Again less time ago when GitHub was bought by Microsoft and many cray in tear "I'll go to $someoneElse" and I observe that ditching a proprietary service for another is a nonsense. Essentially my point is pushing who read my comments to reason "about the big picture" instead of drive by emotions and propaganda/sheep effect of that time. Unfortunately while some agree many seems to reject even the idea. Oh, about spewing CO₂ and Green New Deal: I totally agree that pollution (so not only CO₂) is really harmful BUT the actual green new deal is green in the dollar-green sense, in the stereotypical colors of chemical poisons spewed by rusty barrels we see on comics/movies etc NOT in the sense of green grass of the spring. And I still observe the same criticism pattern, even when I add that I'm actually invested in a new home, a p.v. system etc and I'm happy of that...