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Why would Russian military personnel have Social Security Numbers?
by 800xl 5y ago
Why would Russian military personnel have Social Security Numbers?
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- wrs 5y agoIt doesn’t literally say SSNs, but “идентификационные коды” which translates as (and sounds like) “identification codes”.
- HWR_14 5y agoAre their identification codes used as a shitty master password to their life too? I'd love to get to a system where your tax id was assumed to public knowledge
- Gwypaas 5y agoSweden for example implements the public knowledge side of it, forcing identification to be reliable and 2FA. > The link between a person and the identity number is established through the civil registry and through identity documents and secondarily through the widespread use of the number in various contacts with authorities, businesses etc. They are necessary for personal service at banks, authorities, health care and other services which use the personal identity number. Most people are familiar with their full number and those of their children without hesitation. Personal identity numbers of individuals are openly available from the Swedish tax authorities to anyone who asks (over phone, letter, over the desk, but not over the internet), according to the Swedish principle of freedom of information. Redistribution of these numbers using computers is, however, governed by the law of personal details, an implementation of the Data Protection Directive. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity_number_(Sweden) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_identity_number_(Swed... Then 2FA through BankID, with a chain of trust started with the KYC of your bank. No SMS, "state something only you know" or similarly awful methods. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BankID https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BankID
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- vmception 5y agoUseless information about the wrong country
- tommiegannert 5y agoIt sounded to me like GGP was interested in hearing about any SSN that was assumed to be public knowledge, and Russia's was just the igniting spark for the question. GP makes it clear that, yes, there exists an example where the SSN is a public identifier. GGP: > Are their identification codes used as a shitty master password to their life too? I'd love to get to a system where your tax id was assumed to public knowledge
- vmception 5y agoThey are being facetious. They are from a country where SSN where its a shitty master password for their life, and was wondering if Russia was the same way or if it was potentially implemented better.
- cjaybo 5y agoYou might want to re-read the thread again. Your comment was uncalled for.
- ionicgiraffe 5y agoI think in most countries in Europe the national id number is enough to link taxes to specific people (identity card numbers are to most effects public), even though for official international documents you need to provide the accepted Tax Identification Number (TIN) which you can find in https://www.oecd.org/tax/automatic-exchange/crs-implementation-and-assistance/tax-identification-numbers/ https://www.oecd.org/tax/automatic-exchange/crs-implementati..., but more as a convenience than anything else. That keeping secret your SSN is a thing is something that mostly affects the US.
- ghaff 5y agoIt depends what you mean by "secret." At some point, people decided that maybe we shouldn't be willy nilly broadcasting our SSNs, e.g. it used to be your driver's license number in many states. But given how widely it's used, most people (rightly) don't assume it's a deep dark secret.
- naavis 5y agoWhy wouldn't they?
- 800xl 5y agoIt just seems odd that there would be identification numbers for a U.S. agency included in a data dump of a foreign military.
- sneak 5y agoIt's sort of how USians say "zip codes" for foreign addresses when they mean "postcodes" (the Zone Improvement Plan, from which ZIP is taken, is a US thing).
- flurben 5y agoWhat is a usian?
- gruez 5y agoAmerican
- remram 5y ago"Citizen of the USA" is a mouthful. People tend to use "American" but that's ignoring the fact that there are 35 countries in America. A lot of languages have a word like USian, e.g. "états-unien" (French), "estadounidense" (Spanish). I have used "USAmerican" myself when "American" would be ambiguous.
- robbedpeter 5y agoUsing America to refer to every country in North and South America is imprecise at best, if not outright disingenuous. Nobody thinks you're talking about Brazilians or Argentines or Canadian when you say "American." That's us. It's our word. You can pry it from our cold dead lips.
- ivan_gammel 5y agoIn Russia everyone has a social security number called SNILS. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNILS_(Russia) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNILS_(Russia)
- cosmotic 5y agoSo they have a number associated with their social safety net (ie: security), not a Social Security(tm) Number
- throwaway6532 5y agoSoviet Nuclear Intercontinental Launch System
- Nicksil 5y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNILS_(Russia) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNILS_(Russia)
- dottedmag 5y agoRussia has its own social security system, and it also uses numbers for identification. Table headers are quite suspect, there is a column named "state, federal territory, etc". In Russian "state" refers exclusively to US states or Micronesia states, and "federal territory" refers exclusively to German feredal states.
- punnerud 5y agoIf they don’t have social security number (or ID) they can’t be protected by the Geneva convention
- HWR_14 5y agoThat's not true. You don't need an ID to be protected by the Geneva convention.
- orf 5y agoWhy wouldn’t they?
- aliswe 5y agoI think you are asking this as if they are receiving social security benefits? We all have these numbers in Sweden for example. Its birth date plus 4 unique digits amounting to a hash code (and gender)