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highly unpopular opinion. NATO does have its share of blame for this escalation. they did it on purpose I would bet, to finally defeat Russia through a difficul

highly unpopular opinion. NATO does have its share of blame for this escalation. they did it on purpose I would bet, to finally defeat Russia through a difficult war, without even losing 1 soldier. NATO was formed exactly for the purpose of countering the Soviet Union. Ukraine joining means rockets at small distance from Moscow. isn’t it reasonable to see it as an existential threat? it defeats the nuclear parity. US has invaded countries for much much less

Scarblac 5y ago
NATO already has member countries equally close to Moscow, there was no way Ukraine was going to join any time soon, and no reason for NATO to station any missiles there when all of Russia has been in range of ICBMs fired from submarines since decades now. It's a completely made up story by Russia.
- supergirl 5y ago
  isn’t it the case that if the enemy launches ICBM you have more time to react than if they launch short rage rockets?
belter 5y ago
lamp_book 5y ago
Ukraine had no intention or public support to join NATO before Russia invaded and annexed Crimea [0]. Russia's actions only have proven their intentions as aggressive justifying NATO's existence. > it defeats the nuclear parity. Ukraine gave up its nuclear armament in a peace treaty with the US and Russia. Russia is the one who violated this treaty. > isn’t it reasonable to see it as an existential threat? Only since Putin sees all former USSR as illegitimate states and as de facto part of the Russian empire. It has nothing to do with Russia's existence, but Putin's fantasies as what he sees as Russia. The entirety of this conflict follows Russian imperialism. All attempts to be reasonable with Putin's Russia have been mistaken - the sanctions too weak - they have only proved to be appeasements and delaying the inevitable. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–NATO_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–NATO_relations

Scarblac 5y ago

NATO already has member countries equally close to Moscow, there was no way Ukraine was going to join any time soon, and no reason for NATO to station any missiles there when all of Russia has been in range of ICBMs fired from submarines since decades now. It's a completely made up story by Russia.

supergirl 5y ago
isn’t it the case that if the enemy launches ICBM you have more time to react than if they launch short rage rockets?

belter 5y ago

lamp_book 5y ago

Ukraine had no intention or public support to join NATO before Russia invaded and annexed Crimea [0]. Russia's actions only have proven their intentions as aggressive justifying NATO's existence. > it defeats the nuclear parity. Ukraine gave up its nuclear armament in a peace treaty with the US and Russia. Russia is the one who violated this treaty. > isn’t it reasonable to see it as an existential threat? Only since Putin sees all former USSR as illegitimate states and as de facto part of the Russian empire. It has nothing to do with Russia's existence, but Putin's fantasies as what he sees as Russia. The entirety of this conflict follows Russian imperialism. All attempts to be reasonable with Putin's Russia have been mistaken - the sanctions too weak - they have only proved to be appeasements and delaying the inevitable. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–NATO_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine–NATO_relations