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> The interest of powerful people and companies created this war because they profit from it. Russia started this war and the brave people of Ukraine are fight

> The interest of powerful people and companies created this war because they profit from it. Russia started this war and the brave people of Ukraine are fighting back with our help. Please don't spread lies to further your political agenda.

noxer 5y ago
Ukraine would not exist today and/or if it would exist would not have anything to fight back if it wasn't given to them by the rest of the world. AKA there would be no war. Would that mean they "lost" yes obviously, that is the reality. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. This is not propaganda I dont pick sides. If you think a pointless war is better, well fine you are doing the propaganda for the warmongers out there then. Neither Russia nor Ukraine is a free democrat country all people participating in this war are either brainwashed or forced to fight and die for people (dictators) who do not represent western values and have no respect for human lives.
- kingbirdy 5y ago
  Ukraine is not a dictatorship, their most recent election was widely recognized as fair by international observers.
  - noxer 5y ago
    By western standards they are both pretty similar and far from what we would call a democracy. They (both) support terrorist put journalist in jail or let them disappear. If you wanna pick a side fine I dont care but no matter which side you pick its not the moral high ground you probably think it is.
    - waffle_maniac 5y ago
      You expect perfection on day one of a democracy? High standards for someone that doesn't believe in fighting for a cause.
      - noxer 5y ago
        No I dont. And you are deflecting and make up things I didn't say. Also if you want to fight for a cause go there do it I'd respect that. What I dont respect is people giving money for something thy absolutely would not fight for.
        waffle_maniac 5y ago
        > No I dont. And you are deflecting and make up things I didn't say. I'm not deflecting at all. You are posting lie after lie. > Also if you want to fight for a cause go there do it I'd respect that. What I dont respect is people giving money for something thy absolutely would not fight for. You don't respect people that fight for their lands but you respect uninvolved parties joining in? Why don't you go there yourself and convince them you are right instead of posting on HN?
        noxer 5y ago
        Wont further reply you obviously intentional twist everything I said to the opposite. Have a nice day.
        waffle_maniac 5y ago
        Good.
- waffle_maniac 5y ago
  And from their perspective you are brainwashed and a liar. Or as one woman put it: https://youtu.be/7-1uPRur6kw?t=29 https://youtu.be/7-1uPRur6kw?t=29
  - noxer 5y ago
    I just watches a bit and dont see what point from me this even targets. I never said anything about who has the right to own which land or anything the like. The woman is correct but how do you help her by donating for war? You dont. The more money people put into this war the more endangered this woman is. As I said above this is not about picking sides its about stopping to financially support wars. The vast majority of the people in Russian and Ukraine are against this war.
    - waffle_maniac 5y ago
      By default you support the aggressor. You want Ukraine to surrender. This woman has an opinion on your opinions. > The vast majority of the people in Russian and Ukraine are against this war. You are being dishonest as you well know. Ukrainians are against the war Russia has started but they support the war effort as it defends their lands.
      - noxer 5y ago
        I am AGAINST this war. Quote that "support the aggressor" part if you can find that anywhere. You can't because I never did support either side.
        waffle_maniac 5y ago
        You want Ukraine to surrender. You support Russia.
        noxer 5y ago
        Where did I say that? I didn't. Anything else?

noxer 5y ago

Ukraine would not exist today and/or if it would exist would not have anything to fight back if it wasn't given to them by the rest of the world. AKA there would be no war. Would that mean they "lost" yes obviously, that is the reality. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. This is not propaganda I dont pick sides. If you think a pointless war is better, well fine you are doing the propaganda for the warmongers out there then. Neither Russia nor Ukraine is a free democrat country all people participating in this war are either brainwashed or forced to fight and die for people (dictators) who do not represent western values and have no respect for human lives.

kingbirdy 5y ago
Ukraine is not a dictatorship, their most recent election was widely recognized as fair by international observers.
- noxer 5y ago
  By western standards they are both pretty similar and far from what we would call a democracy. They (both) support terrorist put journalist in jail or let them disappear. If you wanna pick a side fine I dont care but no matter which side you pick its not the moral high ground you probably think it is.
  - waffle_maniac 5y ago
    You expect perfection on day one of a democracy? High standards for someone that doesn't believe in fighting for a cause.
    - noxer 5y ago
      No I dont. And you are deflecting and make up things I didn't say. Also if you want to fight for a cause go there do it I'd respect that. What I dont respect is people giving money for something thy absolutely would not fight for.
      - waffle_maniac 5y ago
        > No I dont. And you are deflecting and make up things I didn't say. I'm not deflecting at all. You are posting lie after lie. > Also if you want to fight for a cause go there do it I'd respect that. What I dont respect is people giving money for something thy absolutely would not fight for. You don't respect people that fight for their lands but you respect uninvolved parties joining in? Why don't you go there yourself and convince them you are right instead of posting on HN?
        noxer 5y ago
        Wont further reply you obviously intentional twist everything I said to the opposite. Have a nice day.
        waffle_maniac 5y ago
        Good.
waffle_maniac 5y ago
And from their perspective you are brainwashed and a liar. Or as one woman put it: https://youtu.be/7-1uPRur6kw?t=29 https://youtu.be/7-1uPRur6kw?t=29
- noxer 5y ago
  I just watches a bit and dont see what point from me this even targets. I never said anything about who has the right to own which land or anything the like. The woman is correct but how do you help her by donating for war? You dont. The more money people put into this war the more endangered this woman is. As I said above this is not about picking sides its about stopping to financially support wars. The vast majority of the people in Russian and Ukraine are against this war.
  - waffle_maniac 5y ago
    By default you support the aggressor. You want Ukraine to surrender. This woman has an opinion on your opinions. > The vast majority of the people in Russian and Ukraine are against this war. You are being dishonest as you well know. Ukrainians are against the war Russia has started but they support the war effort as it defends their lands.
    - noxer 5y ago
      I am AGAINST this war. Quote that "support the aggressor" part if you can find that anywhere. You can't because I never did support either side.
      - waffle_maniac 5y ago
        You want Ukraine to surrender. You support Russia.
        noxer 5y ago
        Where did I say that? I didn't. Anything else?