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i wouldnt be surprised if russia cuts off oil and gas to europe due to the sanctions imposed. im not sure consumer rationing is gonna solve this problem. but i

i wouldnt be surprised if russia cuts off oil and gas to europe due to the sanctions imposed. im not sure consumer rationing is gonna solve this problem. but i could be wrong.

jaltekruse 5y ago
I don't expect this to be a complete solution, but I am also very fearful that things will get shut off. People are talking about this threat, but mostly to express despair. I'm trying to rally support and action ahead of the chaos that will ensue when things get shut off if there isn't a plan. Starting grassroots I'm hoping will increase the chances people are willing to accept rationing. Governments won't be able to convince their people to hold firm against Russia and tolerate mass shortages suddenly given what I'm perceiving as a deficit of real support and widespread action right now.
- baremetal 5y ago
  i dont know that people will have a choice when it comes to tolerating mass shortages. people are so used to comfort. i wouldnt want to see the situation in which that comfort is cut off. so i applaud your intentions. maybe europe should build some more solar and wind farms.
  - jaltekruse 5y ago
    Unfortunately this is about the level of discourse I'm seeing everywhere. Mocking green energy targets. Right now I think this is profoundly unproductive. Ukraine should not have been invaded, Russia violated international law and is committing war crimes. A relatively small nation is holding the line against a world power and all I'm trying to say is maybe enough people in the world care, or should care, about resisting the actions of a dictator. I think if our grandfathers and great grandfathers could fight and die to prevent expansionist nations aggression, maybe the muted 21st century version of what we can do is be organize ourselves a little and tolerate some discomfort.
bitwize 5y ago
This is the geopolitical version of "fasting cures everything".
- baremetal 5y ago
  i would have to agree with you. its also the metaphorical "chickens coming home to roost"
unfocussed_mike 5y ago
> i wouldnt be surprised if russia cuts off oil and gas to Europe due to the sanctions imposed. That would be economic suicide, but if that decision will be taken it already has been taken, surely? Putin would know he'd face unprecedented sanctions but you can't just switch off the pipes. There are significant production decisions to be made quite far in advance, I think? Also I don't think you can just really decide to keep the fuel you've already pumped; the question of where to put it is a challenging one. He does have this choice but not in quite as simple, binary terms as it might seem, at least as far as I understand it. It'd be interesting to hear from someone with industrial domain knowledge though.

i wouldnt be surprised if russia cuts off oil and gas to europe due to the sanctions imposed. im not sure consumer rationing is gonna solve this problem. but i could be wrong.

jaltekruse 5y ago

I don't expect this to be a complete solution, but I am also very fearful that things will get shut off. People are talking about this threat, but mostly to express despair. I'm trying to rally support and action ahead of the chaos that will ensue when things get shut off if there isn't a plan. Starting grassroots I'm hoping will increase the chances people are willing to accept rationing. Governments won't be able to convince their people to hold firm against Russia and tolerate mass shortages suddenly given what I'm perceiving as a deficit of real support and widespread action right now.

baremetal 5y ago
i dont know that people will have a choice when it comes to tolerating mass shortages. people are so used to comfort. i wouldnt want to see the situation in which that comfort is cut off. so i applaud your intentions. maybe europe should build some more solar and wind farms.
- jaltekruse 5y ago
  Unfortunately this is about the level of discourse I'm seeing everywhere. Mocking green energy targets. Right now I think this is profoundly unproductive. Ukraine should not have been invaded, Russia violated international law and is committing war crimes. A relatively small nation is holding the line against a world power and all I'm trying to say is maybe enough people in the world care, or should care, about resisting the actions of a dictator. I think if our grandfathers and great grandfathers could fight and die to prevent expansionist nations aggression, maybe the muted 21st century version of what we can do is be organize ourselves a little and tolerate some discomfort.

bitwize 5y ago

This is the geopolitical version of "fasting cures everything".

baremetal 5y ago
i would have to agree with you. its also the metaphorical "chickens coming home to roost"

unfocussed_mike 5y ago

> i wouldnt be surprised if russia cuts off oil and gas to Europe due to the sanctions imposed. That would be economic suicide, but if that decision will be taken it already has been taken, surely? Putin would know he'd face unprecedented sanctions but you can't just switch off the pipes. There are significant production decisions to be made quite far in advance, I think? Also I don't think you can just really decide to keep the fuel you've already pumped; the question of where to put it is a challenging one. He does have this choice but not in quite as simple, binary terms as it might seem, at least as far as I understand it. It'd be interesting to hear from someone with industrial domain knowledge though.