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please don't use telegram especially now that Russia is at war with the West it's terrible opsec. It's cryptographc snake-oil and the Tech is literally controll

please don't use telegram especially now that Russia is at war with the West it's terrible opsec. It's cryptographc snake-oil and the Tech is literally controlled by Russians. There is also a reason all the IS fighters organizing themselves there got pwned ;)

throw7576521 5y ago
Agreed to cryptographic snake oil, but in regard to Russian-controlled would encourage to read on the biography of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov and him opposing Putin and how Telegram has tried to just outrun any state control. In that sense, I believe Telegram is much more independent than fully undermined FB/Whatsapp... but for what does it matter? Any public group will have leakers And can potentially be undermined by any big enough actor... either you are in a small fully trusted and encrypted circle, or you are in a big and always public group with potentially enemy actors?
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  I have nothing against Pavel Durov, but in a situation where it's likely that they can't make Pavel what they want, they absolutely will lean on his family. I'm not throwing a dice no matter what I think of him personally. Everyone cracks so unless he doesn't have a single person in RU (or even abroad) that he cares about I'm skeptic. Telegram is used because it's popular and everyone else uses it I get that. In case this is crucial somehow and this reason prevents me from using Signal, Wire, etc I'd still use WhatsApp/FB over TG in time like this. I'd rather chose the platform from a place that has a history of being an adversary of (in this case) RU. > either you are in a small fully trusted and encrypted circle Good advise to never say anything even with a fully trusted circle, because it's not only who gets your phone but who gets your recipients phone. Also peoples allegiances change. Today's friends will 100% flip on you tomorrow. Maybe this old linked piece of excellent advise is relevant? ...: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8950875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8950875
aaomidi 5y ago
The Ukrainian govt is officially using it. Spreading FUD in this time does no one any good.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  just because X is using it doesn't mean it's good opsec. But hey, I'm not the boss of you!

throw7576521 5y ago

Agreed to cryptographic snake oil, but in regard to Russian-controlled would encourage to read on the biography of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov and him opposing Putin and how Telegram has tried to just outrun any state control. In that sense, I believe Telegram is much more independent than fully undermined FB/Whatsapp... but for what does it matter? Any public group will have leakers And can potentially be undermined by any big enough actor... either you are in a small fully trusted and encrypted circle, or you are in a big and always public group with potentially enemy actors?

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
I have nothing against Pavel Durov, but in a situation where it's likely that they can't make Pavel what they want, they absolutely will lean on his family. I'm not throwing a dice no matter what I think of him personally. Everyone cracks so unless he doesn't have a single person in RU (or even abroad) that he cares about I'm skeptic. Telegram is used because it's popular and everyone else uses it I get that. In case this is crucial somehow and this reason prevents me from using Signal, Wire, etc I'd still use WhatsApp/FB over TG in time like this. I'd rather chose the platform from a place that has a history of being an adversary of (in this case) RU. > either you are in a small fully trusted and encrypted circle Good advise to never say anything even with a fully trusted circle, because it's not only who gets your phone but who gets your recipients phone. Also peoples allegiances change. Today's friends will 100% flip on you tomorrow. Maybe this old linked piece of excellent advise is relevant? ...: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8950875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8950875

aaomidi 5y ago

The Ukrainian govt is officially using it. Spreading FUD in this time does no one any good.

DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
just because X is using it doesn't mean it's good opsec. But hey, I'm not the boss of you!