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DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
please don't use telegram especially now that Russia is at war with the West it's terrible opsec. It's cryptographc snake-oil and the Tech is literally controlled by Russians. There is also a reason all the IS fighters organizing themselves there got pwned ;)
- throw7576521 5y ago
  Agreed to cryptographic snake oil, but in regard to Russian-controlled would encourage to read on the biography of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov and him opposing Putin and how Telegram has tried to just outrun any state control. In that sense, I believe Telegram is much more independent than fully undermined FB/Whatsapp... but for what does it matter? Any public group will have leakers And can potentially be undermined by any big enough actor... either you are in a small fully trusted and encrypted circle, or you are in a big and always public group with potentially enemy actors?
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    I have nothing against Pavel Durov, but in a situation where it's likely that they can't make Pavel what they want, they absolutely will lean on his family. I'm not throwing a dice no matter what I think of him personally. Everyone cracks so unless he doesn't have a single person in RU (or even abroad) that he cares about I'm skeptic. Telegram is used because it's popular and everyone else uses it I get that. In case this is crucial somehow and this reason prevents me from using Signal, Wire, etc I'd still use WhatsApp/FB over TG in time like this. I'd rather chose the platform from a place that has a history of being an adversary of (in this case) RU. > either you are in a small fully trusted and encrypted circle Good advise to never say anything even with a fully trusted circle, because it's not only who gets your phone but who gets your recipients phone. Also peoples allegiances change. Today's friends will 100% flip on you tomorrow. Maybe this old linked piece of excellent advise is relevant? ...: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8950875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8950875
- aaomidi 5y ago
  The Ukrainian govt is officially using it. Spreading FUD in this time does no one any good.
  - DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
    just because X is using it doesn't mean it's good opsec. But hey, I'm not the boss of you!
pinephoneguy 5y ago
Telegram is not end to end encrypted and requires you to use a phone number for ID. The only worse IM app I can think of is iMessage.
amcoastal 5y ago
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- dgellow 5y ago
  Telegram has nothing to do with Russia other than their founder being from there. Ukrainians and other Europeans are organizing their fighting via Telegram, I'm sharing the channel used by the Ukrainians themselves.
  - amcoastal 5y ago
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/02/25/ukraine-warned-over-danger-of-russian-spying-on-unencrypted-telegram/?sh=44ca9ecb487f https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/02/25/ukrai...
- aaomidi 5y ago
  It's literally used in an official capacity by the Ukrainian govt. Also, you're breaking rules here with your accusations.
  - amcoastal 5y ago
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/02/25/ukraine-warned-over-danger-of-russian-spying-on-unencrypted-telegram/?sh=44ca9ecb487f https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/02/25/ukrai...
dgellow 5y ago
Commenters don't seem to understand, but it is the actual telegram channel created by Ukrainian forces to coordinate actions.

please don't use telegram especially now that Russia is at war with the West it's terrible opsec. It's cryptographc snake-oil and the Tech is literally controlled by Russians. There is also a reason all the IS fighters organizing themselves there got pwned ;)

throw7576521 5y ago
Agreed to cryptographic snake oil, but in regard to Russian-controlled would encourage to read on the biography of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavel_Durov and him opposing Putin and how Telegram has tried to just outrun any state control. In that sense, I believe Telegram is much more independent than fully undermined FB/Whatsapp... but for what does it matter? Any public group will have leakers And can potentially be undermined by any big enough actor... either you are in a small fully trusted and encrypted circle, or you are in a big and always public group with potentially enemy actors?
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  I have nothing against Pavel Durov, but in a situation where it's likely that they can't make Pavel what they want, they absolutely will lean on his family. I'm not throwing a dice no matter what I think of him personally. Everyone cracks so unless he doesn't have a single person in RU (or even abroad) that he cares about I'm skeptic. Telegram is used because it's popular and everyone else uses it I get that. In case this is crucial somehow and this reason prevents me from using Signal, Wire, etc I'd still use WhatsApp/FB over TG in time like this. I'd rather chose the platform from a place that has a history of being an adversary of (in this case) RU. > either you are in a small fully trusted and encrypted circle Good advise to never say anything even with a fully trusted circle, because it's not only who gets your phone but who gets your recipients phone. Also peoples allegiances change. Today's friends will 100% flip on you tomorrow. Maybe this old linked piece of excellent advise is relevant? ...: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8950875 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8950875
aaomidi 5y ago
The Ukrainian govt is officially using it. Spreading FUD in this time does no one any good.
- DyslexicAtheist 5y ago
  just because X is using it doesn't mean it's good opsec. But hey, I'm not the boss of you!

pinephoneguy 5y ago

Telegram is not end to end encrypted and requires you to use a phone number for ID. The only worse IM app I can think of is iMessage.

amcoastal 5y ago

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dgellow 5y ago
Telegram has nothing to do with Russia other than their founder being from there. Ukrainians and other Europeans are organizing their fighting via Telegram, I'm sharing the channel used by the Ukrainians themselves.
- amcoastal 5y ago
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/02/25/ukraine-warned-over-danger-of-russian-spying-on-unencrypted-telegram/?sh=44ca9ecb487f https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/02/25/ukrai...
aaomidi 5y ago
It's literally used in an official capacity by the Ukrainian govt. Also, you're breaking rules here with your accusations.
- amcoastal 5y ago
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/02/25/ukraine-warned-over-danger-of-russian-spying-on-unencrypted-telegram/?sh=44ca9ecb487f https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2022/02/25/ukrai...

dgellow 5y ago

Commenters don't seem to understand, but it is the actual telegram channel created by Ukrainian forces to coordinate actions.