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Russia’s way of conducting urban warfare bodes ill for Kyiv
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- dundarious 5y agoMost ways of conducting urban warfare bode very ill for the population. The article seems to conclude they'll use a prolonged siege and artillery/rockets approach, and contrasts with the Western approach which is large-scale aerial bombardment.
- DisjointedHunt 5y agoPrecisely, World War II urban warfare is over romanticized in retrospect. It was apparently gruesome. High attrition, inhuman conditions, really nothing for the people on the ground fighting or defending or just living neutrally. Any "gains" fall to the brass, the people who would likely never see real fighting, but readily order battalions of men to "take" a town or city to play the probabilities game of death with the objective of "winning" the objective.
- treis 5y agoWho romanticizes WWII urban warfare?
- verelo 5y agoHollywood?
- acdha 5y agoReally? I won’t claim to have exhaustively surveyed it but it sure felt like it was widely recognized as a brutal ordeal with random sudden death never far away. Most of the “greatest generation” imagery was grounded in the idea of slogging through it anyways.
- verelo 5y agoYeah, i suppose it depends how you define it. To me a lot of movies run a line through both, making it look grand and horrible rather well.
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- jollybean 5y agoThe great fear is that Russia will simply use artillery to flatten the city bit by bit. That said - Ukranians have not (yet) lost all the ground. Russian forces in a large country are quite vulnerable to attack from all sides if it can be sustained and coordinated. The Eastern 1/2 of Ukraine is largely still open even as the W. is partly contended - this gives a lot of space for Ukraine to manoeuvre and regroup - and most notably - to be reinforced from Poland. Currently, the Russians are paying a heavy, daily price that is completely unsustainable to them. The question becomes - can they get into a 'grinding' position in which they are wearing down the Ukranians, while at the same time minimising their costs and loses? It's hard to say. West is also taking note and the frankly heroic and effective acts of Ukranians is encouraging giving them more gear. The Javelins etc. are being used very effectively, I mean, the US can do serious damage to the Russians just by handing off Javelins and not even putting their own soldiers at risk? That's the 'deal of the century'. As the war prolongs, then more complicated equipment that requires even a bit of training can be deployed to similar effect. Specifically, artillery is vulnerable to radar and rapid counter attack, so long as the equipment is there. If the Ukranians have access to this kind of tech (there is some talk of it), they can use it to disable or at least degrade any kind of 'siege artillery'. Russians have a limited supply of rockets, and they can't use their close air support (Stingers), and even fast air is a bit risky. Ukraine is also a big country. Chechnya is 1.5M people and that was a painful mess. Ukraine is 45M people with support from the West, that's a different range of calculation.
- iso1210 5y agoUkraine has a long western border with the EU for supplies to enter, Poland, Slovakia, Hunary and Romania. It would be extremely hard for Russia to close that entire border.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 5y agoNot if Belarus joins the war in full capacity. They also have air superiority.
- iso1210 5y ago
- yalogin 5y agoFor me the question is how far will the world let Russia go? Has the rest of the world already made a decision to only work through sanctions and not actually interfere? It has for now obviously but will that decision not change even after 10 days? Chinese neighbors must be watching this with a lot of concern. Particularly Taiwan, because if the west is not doing anything when a war happens in its backyard now hat hope does Taiwan have when China decides to occupy.
- Axsuul 5y agoThe US has said it would defend Taiwan
- traviswt 5y agoYou’re very correct. The most illogical position to take is that Russia will stop with Ukraine. It is true that Putin has genocidal wishes against the people, but just like Hitler what he really loves is power and conquest.
- prescriptivist 5y agoHe's already starting talks with Ukraine. He is realizing what a poor calculation this war was.
- likecarter 5y agoHe made up complete lies as a pretext for invasion. He will never negotiate in good faith.
- chx 5y agoThe Russian barbarians have destroyed Budapest in 1956. Grozny in 2000. Both were rebuilt. Kyiv will be rebuilt again. It took Hungary 33 years to be free of the Russian yoke, Chechnya is still occupied 22 years in but nothing lasts forever. Remember the Ukrainian anthem: Ukraine is not yet dead, nor its glory and freedom, Luck will still smile on us brother-Ukrainians. Our enemies will die, as the dew does in the sunshine, and we, too, brothers, we'll live happily in our land. My favorite renditions of it, quite different ones: https://youtu.be/yAthTRmepys https://youtu.be/yAthTRmepys https://youtu.be/ouXXAE73ASY https://youtu.be/ouXXAE73ASY
- jacquesm 5y agoUnfortunately Hungary appears to be sliding back.
- chalst 5y agoPutin is not giving off the same vibes of dark inspiration that he had in, say, Grozny. He comes across as foolishly distant, esp. compared to Zelensky: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/kgorchinskaya/status/1497979262216900613 https://nitter.pussthecat.org/kgorchinskaya/status/149797926... There are signs that he is losing the confidence of Russia's elite: https://nitter.pussthecat.org/olliecarroll/status/1497944338457939973 https://nitter.pussthecat.org/olliecarroll/status/1497944338... In terms of being at risk of a coup, you have to look back to Kruschev to see a leader in Moscow more clearly in danger of losing his grip on power. The invocation of the nuclear threat can only have increased this danger.
- vanusa 5y agoNot to minimize, but the destruction of Grozny (both in raw numbers and in proportion to the resident population) in 2000 was much greater than the havoc wrought on Bupapest in 1956. In terms of civilian deaths per capita, the loss in Grozny was easily 20x, for example.
- bobthechef 5y ago
- ukraineally 5y ago>The most important battle was, again, for Kyiv. Russia failed to seize an airport on its outskirts on February 24th, the first day of the war. Spetsnaz airborne were routed day 1. Was it really just Ukrainians? Or did they have some proxy help? >Despite its impressive resistance, the city faced the prospect of imminent encirclement. General mobilization is a huge factor here. Russian troops are fighting against people who have nothing left to lose. encirclement doesnt matter, when they enter the city they will lead with spetsnaz because if they don't... they will take tremendous losses. Russia hasn't even started to see the real resistance yet.
- hourislate 5y agoApparently Ukraine has ask the International Red Cross for help to repatriate 3000 plus Russian corpses. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ukraine-asks-red-cross-to-repatriate-bodies-of-russian-soldiers-killed-in-fighting/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ukraine-asks-re...
- audunw 5y agoMakes me think they're actually being truthful when claiming they've killed 1000s of Russian soldiers. If Red Cross accepted but the numbers they reported are far lower, it wouldn't be good for Ukraine
- jacquesm 5y agoHave a look at this if you want to know what the Russians are up to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOS-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOS-1