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It's not the 1950s. Stalin is dead. Russia is not fighting this war to annihilate Ukraine. They want to restore a supplicant government loyal to Russia, and kee

It's not the 1950s. Stalin is dead. Russia is not fighting this war to annihilate Ukraine. They want to restore a supplicant government loyal to Russia, and keep funding them to that effect. Same playbook they're using in the rest of their satellite republics. If Russia was in fact waging some kind of imperialist war, wouldn't they have annexed more resource rich neighbours that the world cares so much less about? Like Belarus, or Chechnya? Look at those countries. Russia pours money on them to keep them neutral. That's the alternative.

TulliusCicero 5y ago
> If Russia was in fact waging some kind of imperialist war > They want to restore a supplicant government loyal to Russia, What exactly do you think imperialism is?
astrange 5y ago
It doesn't seem like "Russia" is fighting the war at all as a society; Putin personally is, but people up to federal legislators are publicly objecting, and if you follow the battle reports it seems the soldiers so far have barely been given orders, don't want to do their jobs, not to mention keep running out of gas and abandoning their vehicles. Somewhere between the cabinet and the rest of the military there is quite the lack of motivation.
Xylakant 5y ago
Russia is pretty much turning Belarus into a puppet state, not a neutral buffer.
nickpp 5y ago
And what if Ukrainians disagree? Maybe because they prefer freedom and choosing their own destiny?
FpUser 5y ago
>"If Russia was in fact waging some kind of imperialist war, wouldn't they have annexed more resource rich neighbours that the world cares so much less about? Like Belarus, or Chechnya? Look at those countries" Chechnya is not a country and is a part of Russia. Before that it was part of the USSR.
jeltz 5y ago
But that is not what will happen. From all indications of Russia wins this war and installs a puppet regime that regime will meet heavy popular resistance and be overthrown as soon as Russia leaves the country. So I do not see much option here other than trying to defend Ukraine and to isolate and/or topple Putin. Your ideas about not provoking Russia are not relevant in the current climate where Putin is hated in Ukraine and where the Ukrainians do not want to be in the Russian sphere of influence. Your strategy might have worked in 2010 but now it is too late.
T-A 5y ago
> Russia is not fighting this war to annihilate Ukraine https://www.firstpost.com/world/ukraine-not-a-real-country-how-putin-is-trying-to-revive-russian-empire-with-latest-attacks-10405801.html https://www.firstpost.com/world/ukraine-not-a-real-country-h... > If Russia was in fact waging some kind of imperialist war, wouldn't they have annexed more resource rich neighbours that the world cares so much less about? Like Belarus, or Chechnya? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/belarusalert/soft-annexation-inside-the-russian-takeover-of-belarus/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/belarusalert/soft-anne... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya
jounker 5y ago
Belarus and Chechnya have been annexed in all but name.

TulliusCicero 5y ago

> If Russia was in fact waging some kind of imperialist war > They want to restore a supplicant government loyal to Russia, What exactly do you think imperialism is?

astrange 5y ago

It doesn't seem like "Russia" is fighting the war at all as a society; Putin personally is, but people up to federal legislators are publicly objecting, and if you follow the battle reports it seems the soldiers so far have barely been given orders, don't want to do their jobs, not to mention keep running out of gas and abandoning their vehicles. Somewhere between the cabinet and the rest of the military there is quite the lack of motivation.

Xylakant 5y ago

Russia is pretty much turning Belarus into a puppet state, not a neutral buffer.

nickpp 5y ago

And what if Ukrainians disagree? Maybe because they prefer freedom and choosing their own destiny?

FpUser 5y ago

>"If Russia was in fact waging some kind of imperialist war, wouldn't they have annexed more resource rich neighbours that the world cares so much less about? Like Belarus, or Chechnya? Look at those countries" Chechnya is not a country and is a part of Russia. Before that it was part of the USSR.

jeltz 5y ago

But that is not what will happen. From all indications of Russia wins this war and installs a puppet regime that regime will meet heavy popular resistance and be overthrown as soon as Russia leaves the country. So I do not see much option here other than trying to defend Ukraine and to isolate and/or topple Putin. Your ideas about not provoking Russia are not relevant in the current climate where Putin is hated in Ukraine and where the Ukrainians do not want to be in the Russian sphere of influence. Your strategy might have worked in 2010 but now it is too late.

T-A 5y ago

> Russia is not fighting this war to annihilate Ukraine https://www.firstpost.com/world/ukraine-not-a-real-country-how-putin-is-trying-to-revive-russian-empire-with-latest-attacks-10405801.html https://www.firstpost.com/world/ukraine-not-a-real-country-h... > If Russia was in fact waging some kind of imperialist war, wouldn't they have annexed more resource rich neighbours that the world cares so much less about? Like Belarus, or Chechnya? https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/belarusalert/soft-annexation-inside-the-russian-takeover-of-belarus/ https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/belarusalert/soft-anne... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechnya

jounker 5y ago

Belarus and Chechnya have been annexed in all but name.