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When you see all the athletes, politicians, and actors all taking one side then surely they must be right!

by ospzfmbbzr 5y ago

ospzfmbbzr 5y ago
- dgellow 5y ago
  Ah, the infamous “I’m just asking question” common to all online trolls and conspiracists. Please keep your pseudo-epistemological flame bait out of HN.
- terafo 5y ago
  Let me tell you what do I actually know. I hears alarms. I hear gunshots. I hear explosions. I have friends who are fighting the war that was started by dictator that killed, jailed or poisoned all opposition to him that haven't fled the country. That dictator is threatening to use nukes. That dictator previously attacked our country and taken our territories(Crimea). He backed separatists in our country and sent weapons, people and equipment to that regions for 8 long years, which created humanitarian crisis. Now he attacks openly to overturn our democratically elected government(which by no means is ideal). All of that happens just because we are not willing to submit to his rule.
alkonaut 5y ago
Don't forget Bashar al Assad is on the other side. Can't be sure which side is right I guess then.
- llampx 5y ago
  Well, threaten the petrodollar and see what you get.
dotancohen 5y ago
There is very little mention of the Russian perspective in Western sources. That, and the fact that all the major Western news sources show heartbreaking photographs of children, lead me to believe that an agenda is being pushed.
- terafo 5y ago
  Do you really need the perspective of a country that started offensive war to overthrow democratically elected government and threatens to use nukes if anyone interferes?
  - dotancohen 5y ago
    Yes, because I am not convinced that the Russian motivation was just "to overthrow democratically elected government". I have seen years of lies about the operations my own country has been involved in, and do not trust "journalists" to not push an agenda. Is there no primary source in which the Russians state their motives? Is it really enough for so many people to just think "Putin bad man" and not consider that his country might have a legitimate reason for invading another state?
    - terafo 5y ago
      To be honest, it's really hard to get Putin's perspective. No one knows where he gets his information, even the hardest Russian propaganda wasn't as hard as the claims he made during last week. He claimed that Ukraine is captured by "nazis and junkies", was talking about "genocide of millions of russians on donbass"(donbass is region where russian-based separatists have been fighting ukrainian army for almost a decade), he denied that Ukraine is "real" country. He claims to protect russian-speaking people(which is bullshit, I speak mostly russian, but I'm distinctly ukrainian, there are many people that speak russian and fight Putin in this war, it's not about language). He made many claims and there is more than an hour of his "dedications" in the last week. You might want to listen to them. But no one can really claim to understand him anymore, since all predictions went straight to garbage a week ago. >Is it really enough for so many people to just think "Putin bad man" and not consider that his country might have a legitimate reason for invading another state? He killed, poisoned and jailed opposition for more than 20 years. Now, when he dealt with opposition, he tries to jail everyone who is popular and independent(there were many examples in the recent years). His government is incredibly corrupt and positions are given based on loyalty, not competence. There are many proofs to that. You might want to see some of the Navalny's investigations, that were made before he got poisoned and jailed. It's pretty save to say that Putin is a bad man.

When you see all the athletes, politicians, and actors all taking one side then surely they must be right!

ospzfmbbzr 5y ago

dgellow 5y ago
Ah, the infamous “I’m just asking question” common to all online trolls and conspiracists. Please keep your pseudo-epistemological flame bait out of HN.
terafo 5y ago
Let me tell you what do I actually know. I hears alarms. I hear gunshots. I hear explosions. I have friends who are fighting the war that was started by dictator that killed, jailed or poisoned all opposition to him that haven't fled the country. That dictator is threatening to use nukes. That dictator previously attacked our country and taken our territories(Crimea). He backed separatists in our country and sent weapons, people and equipment to that regions for 8 long years, which created humanitarian crisis. Now he attacks openly to overturn our democratically elected government(which by no means is ideal). All of that happens just because we are not willing to submit to his rule.

alkonaut 5y ago

Don't forget Bashar al Assad is on the other side. Can't be sure which side is right I guess then.

llampx 5y ago
Well, threaten the petrodollar and see what you get.

dotancohen 5y ago

There is very little mention of the Russian perspective in Western sources. That, and the fact that all the major Western news sources show heartbreaking photographs of children, lead me to believe that an agenda is being pushed.

terafo 5y ago
Do you really need the perspective of a country that started offensive war to overthrow democratically elected government and threatens to use nukes if anyone interferes?
- dotancohen 5y ago
  Yes, because I am not convinced that the Russian motivation was just "to overthrow democratically elected government". I have seen years of lies about the operations my own country has been involved in, and do not trust "journalists" to not push an agenda. Is there no primary source in which the Russians state their motives? Is it really enough for so many people to just think "Putin bad man" and not consider that his country might have a legitimate reason for invading another state?
  - terafo 5y ago
    To be honest, it's really hard to get Putin's perspective. No one knows where he gets his information, even the hardest Russian propaganda wasn't as hard as the claims he made during last week. He claimed that Ukraine is captured by "nazis and junkies", was talking about "genocide of millions of russians on donbass"(donbass is region where russian-based separatists have been fighting ukrainian army for almost a decade), he denied that Ukraine is "real" country. He claims to protect russian-speaking people(which is bullshit, I speak mostly russian, but I'm distinctly ukrainian, there are many people that speak russian and fight Putin in this war, it's not about language). He made many claims and there is more than an hour of his "dedications" in the last week. You might want to listen to them. But no one can really claim to understand him anymore, since all predictions went straight to garbage a week ago. >Is it really enough for so many people to just think "Putin bad man" and not consider that his country might have a legitimate reason for invading another state? He killed, poisoned and jailed opposition for more than 20 years. Now, when he dealt with opposition, he tries to jail everyone who is popular and independent(there were many examples in the recent years). His government is incredibly corrupt and positions are given based on loyalty, not competence. There are many proofs to that. You might want to see some of the Navalny's investigations, that were made before he got poisoned and jailed. It's pretty save to say that Putin is a bad man.