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That edit just proves my point. Germany not doing anything my ass. Just check out where that sweet EU money is coming from. Think about where Eastern European

That edit just proves my point. Germany not doing anything my ass. Just check out where that sweet EU money is coming from. Think about where Eastern European people migrate to for work. Think about who is building factories and industry in these countries. And many if these countries are in NATO, so Germany is literally willing to go to war for their protection. Germany just can't win in this situation. Someone will always figure out a way to claim it's the Germans faults and that they still owe from WW2. Germany is trying to be less militaristic because of WW2 and now Germanies victims from back them are complaining about Germany not being more militaristic. What do you want them to be?

yrgulation 5y ago
Ok but where is the hatred in my reply? I could also say that your reply is mainly german superiority pointing out the money it contributes. Where do the sweet german money come from? East Europe accounts for 15% of german exports. This needs to stop really, we are all in this. There is no hate in having disagreements, as there is not hate in germany being proud of its economy. But we are all in this together. We all depend on each other. And its fine to disagree but not when it comes to security and thats what i mean by germany not doing enough. I am not saying germany is a total slacker, i am saying we need to move fast and show unity. We’ll argue in the eu parliament thereafter and it wont be hate. Edit: sorry, the only reason i brought ww2 into this is in reply to you bringing it and stating that germany dhows compassion towards russia for what it did in ww2 and i said but where is the compassion for east europe. Germany is of colossal help to europe and is an undeniable positive player in european affairs. Period.
- turbinerneiter 5y ago
  Just look at what are you saying. You are saying Germany isnt doing anything. When I point out what Germany is doing, you call it German superiority. And then you end on German is important and positive. What is it? You ask Germany to act fast and unified, basically disallowing them to disagree about anything ever. We can argue in the parliament after? Aren't you supposed to find a common stance via discissions? The whole thing is completely ridiculously focused on everyone else having an opinion what Germany is supposed to do, disregarding even so much as allowing Germany to think about it and completely ignoring everyone else. France, Italy, Hungary and some others also opposed the SWIFT exclusion. Itlay tried to get Gucci handbags excluded from the sanctions for gods sake. We are all in this together but God forbid Germany just spends an extra minute considering the effects of a certain sanction and God forbid Germany naivly tries to work towards peace by using diplomacy over weapons. We are all in this together, unless Germany isn't immediately doing whatever anyone else wants, then we quickly remind them that they didn't pay for WW2. Germany spends more than 50 bullion on its army every year, compared to Russia's 60. Now they are doing 3 times that. That money will be taken from schools, social services and taxes on the working class. How much more?
  - yrgulation 5y ago
    With all due respect i still dont see hatred in all this. I suspect the americans had to take a lot of money from their schools to finance the marshall plan and the reconstruction of germany. The british has a lot to spent yet they are rallying around the troops and telling their citizens their security starts in the forests of latvia and lithuania. The east europeans have yet again money to take from schools to spend defending against russia and essentially shielding germany. I think many germans are feeling pressure for the first time in their lives, and for the first time in modern german history they have to sacrifice comfort in order to do their part. I agree its a sacrifice but i dont agree its the end of germany. If anything germany will come out stronger. A secure and stable east europe is directly in the benefit of germany. Anyway i still dont see hatred, or injustice made to germany. No one’s threatening germany with sanctions, as it so often happens to east eu countries when they are out of line, and no one is saying germans are bad. There is no contradiction in saying germany is great while saying germany can move faster. Just like i see no harm in your comment - indeed germany needs to take its time, its fine. I am sorry if anything i wrote makes you think there is anti german sentiment - there is none!
    - turbinerneiter 5y ago
      > I think many germans are feeling pressure for the first time in their lives, and for the first time in modern german history they have to sacrifice comfort in order to do their part. And here we are with the "weak westerners" trope. I can't count the jokes about Germans being to soft to manage slightly colder rooms in the last two days. You perpuate this in the same comment I which you claim there is absolutely just pure love for Germany, nothing else. And then the whole Germany isn't doing anything. They spend 50 billions on the military each year. The added another 100 billion on top now. They support all sanctions, including SWIFT. Still not enough? Why? What else? Do you want them to march on Moscow again? Kill another 26 million Russians? Why are you trying to act like all the negativity towards Germany does not exist? I'm not saying you hate Germany, I'm not saying everyone hates Germany, but just look around. Think about all the examples I gave you for a second. From the German perspective, they sure get a lot of shit for everything the do and not too much recognition either. Nobody is even mentioning France and Italy, who were also opposed to SWIFT exclusion. Remember, this discussion started by me saying that I don't see Germany loving the idea of a unified army, given the internal differences in the EU and the way many people from other countries like to hate on Germany. You have continuously just denied that. You think Germany and Poland can happily fight for freedom together, when in Poland that freedom does not extend to women with unwanted pregnancy? You think Germans want to die in the trenches for Orban, who is stealing their money? For people who are openly racist against Muslims? In a unified EU army, can I even trust that this army will always be used for defense? Or do I have to support Poland's phanasies of drowning refugees in the Mediterranean sea? Don't get me wrong, standing together against Putin is easy and we are all in. But I don't think Germans want their soldiers be controlled via the EU, in which PIS and Orban would get a say one who they should kill.

yrgulation 5y ago

Ok but where is the hatred in my reply? I could also say that your reply is mainly german superiority pointing out the money it contributes. Where do the sweet german money come from? East Europe accounts for 15% of german exports. This needs to stop really, we are all in this. There is no hate in having disagreements, as there is not hate in germany being proud of its economy. But we are all in this together. We all depend on each other. And its fine to disagree but not when it comes to security and thats what i mean by germany not doing enough. I am not saying germany is a total slacker, i am saying we need to move fast and show unity. We’ll argue in the eu parliament thereafter and it wont be hate. Edit: sorry, the only reason i brought ww2 into this is in reply to you bringing it and stating that germany dhows compassion towards russia for what it did in ww2 and i said but where is the compassion for east europe. Germany is of colossal help to europe and is an undeniable positive player in european affairs. Period.

turbinerneiter 5y ago
Just look at what are you saying. You are saying Germany isnt doing anything. When I point out what Germany is doing, you call it German superiority. And then you end on German is important and positive. What is it? You ask Germany to act fast and unified, basically disallowing them to disagree about anything ever. We can argue in the parliament after? Aren't you supposed to find a common stance via discissions? The whole thing is completely ridiculously focused on everyone else having an opinion what Germany is supposed to do, disregarding even so much as allowing Germany to think about it and completely ignoring everyone else. France, Italy, Hungary and some others also opposed the SWIFT exclusion. Itlay tried to get Gucci handbags excluded from the sanctions for gods sake. We are all in this together but God forbid Germany just spends an extra minute considering the effects of a certain sanction and God forbid Germany naivly tries to work towards peace by using diplomacy over weapons. We are all in this together, unless Germany isn't immediately doing whatever anyone else wants, then we quickly remind them that they didn't pay for WW2. Germany spends more than 50 bullion on its army every year, compared to Russia's 60. Now they are doing 3 times that. That money will be taken from schools, social services and taxes on the working class. How much more?
- yrgulation 5y ago
  With all due respect i still dont see hatred in all this. I suspect the americans had to take a lot of money from their schools to finance the marshall plan and the reconstruction of germany. The british has a lot to spent yet they are rallying around the troops and telling their citizens their security starts in the forests of latvia and lithuania. The east europeans have yet again money to take from schools to spend defending against russia and essentially shielding germany. I think many germans are feeling pressure for the first time in their lives, and for the first time in modern german history they have to sacrifice comfort in order to do their part. I agree its a sacrifice but i dont agree its the end of germany. If anything germany will come out stronger. A secure and stable east europe is directly in the benefit of germany. Anyway i still dont see hatred, or injustice made to germany. No one’s threatening germany with sanctions, as it so often happens to east eu countries when they are out of line, and no one is saying germans are bad. There is no contradiction in saying germany is great while saying germany can move faster. Just like i see no harm in your comment - indeed germany needs to take its time, its fine. I am sorry if anything i wrote makes you think there is anti german sentiment - there is none!
  - turbinerneiter 5y ago
    > I think many germans are feeling pressure for the first time in their lives, and for the first time in modern german history they have to sacrifice comfort in order to do their part. And here we are with the "weak westerners" trope. I can't count the jokes about Germans being to soft to manage slightly colder rooms in the last two days. You perpuate this in the same comment I which you claim there is absolutely just pure love for Germany, nothing else. And then the whole Germany isn't doing anything. They spend 50 billions on the military each year. The added another 100 billion on top now. They support all sanctions, including SWIFT. Still not enough? Why? What else? Do you want them to march on Moscow again? Kill another 26 million Russians? Why are you trying to act like all the negativity towards Germany does not exist? I'm not saying you hate Germany, I'm not saying everyone hates Germany, but just look around. Think about all the examples I gave you for a second. From the German perspective, they sure get a lot of shit for everything the do and not too much recognition either. Nobody is even mentioning France and Italy, who were also opposed to SWIFT exclusion. Remember, this discussion started by me saying that I don't see Germany loving the idea of a unified army, given the internal differences in the EU and the way many people from other countries like to hate on Germany. You have continuously just denied that. You think Germany and Poland can happily fight for freedom together, when in Poland that freedom does not extend to women with unwanted pregnancy? You think Germans want to die in the trenches for Orban, who is stealing their money? For people who are openly racist against Muslims? In a unified EU army, can I even trust that this army will always be used for defense? Or do I have to support Poland's phanasies of drowning refugees in the Mediterranean sea? Don't get me wrong, standing together against Putin is easy and we are all in. But I don't think Germans want their soldiers be controlled via the EU, in which PIS and Orban would get a say one who they should kill.