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Russia said they would take the capital in 3 hours. It’s now day 4. People need to stop underestimating the people of Ukraine.

usr1106 5y ago
It's not underestimating the people of Ukraine. Putin can have his soldiers killed for months and years. And he seems crazy enough to do it. The Ukraine does not have enough soldiers and not enough infrastructure to last that long.
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  The Russian armed forces in belgorod? Refuse to go into the Ukraine. Although Russians are told there’s 0 deaths to Russian forces and such, information is leaking into Russia. There’s mass protesting happening there. I don’t believe the war will last long enough for Putin to be able to keep throwing lives at it. That coupled with Germany, the US, Czech Republic, and NATO supplying supplies, weapons, etc into Ukraine. The longer it goes on the more likely it seems Ukraine will survive. Unless Putin goes fully insane and wants to nuke Ukraine or something. Let’s hope Putin tops himself in a bunker before then.
  - usr1106 5y ago
    > There’s mass protesting happening there. Like a couple of thousands out of 145 millions? The vast majority of the population has only access to state controlled propaganda. Even if they have learned for generations that their leaders and their media can generally not be believed, the vast majority believes that NATO is threatening Russia and they have to defend themselves.
    - philliphaydon 5y ago
      Why are you so desperate to downplay what's happening as if it's nothing and has no affect?
      - usr1106 5y ago
        Remember that many NATO countries have been paying more to Russia than to Ukraine for years and still want to continue to pay. One could say, well the former is profit from energy business and the and the latter is aid, you can't compare those. Doesn't matter. Putin can go to war only because Russia has made profits from exporting energy. And still energy exports are excluded from sanctions. I would be glad if what is happening were enough to stop Putin. But I am far from convinced that it is enough.
- skissane 5y ago
  > Putin can have his soldiers killed for months and years. And he seems crazy enough to do it. Can he really? If he upsets too many important and powerful people in Russia, Putin risks being removed in a coup, or assassinated by his own military or intelligence services. If this war drags on for too long, if too many Russians die, if damage to the Russian economy becomes severe, that outcome starts to become a real risk for him.

usr1106 5y ago

It's not underestimating the people of Ukraine. Putin can have his soldiers killed for months and years. And he seems crazy enough to do it. The Ukraine does not have enough soldiers and not enough infrastructure to last that long.

philliphaydon 5y ago
The Russian armed forces in belgorod? Refuse to go into the Ukraine. Although Russians are told there’s 0 deaths to Russian forces and such, information is leaking into Russia. There’s mass protesting happening there. I don’t believe the war will last long enough for Putin to be able to keep throwing lives at it. That coupled with Germany, the US, Czech Republic, and NATO supplying supplies, weapons, etc into Ukraine. The longer it goes on the more likely it seems Ukraine will survive. Unless Putin goes fully insane and wants to nuke Ukraine or something. Let’s hope Putin tops himself in a bunker before then.
- usr1106 5y ago
  > There’s mass protesting happening there. Like a couple of thousands out of 145 millions? The vast majority of the population has only access to state controlled propaganda. Even if they have learned for generations that their leaders and their media can generally not be believed, the vast majority believes that NATO is threatening Russia and they have to defend themselves.
  - philliphaydon 5y ago
    Why are you so desperate to downplay what's happening as if it's nothing and has no affect?
    - usr1106 5y ago
      Remember that many NATO countries have been paying more to Russia than to Ukraine for years and still want to continue to pay. One could say, well the former is profit from energy business and the and the latter is aid, you can't compare those. Doesn't matter. Putin can go to war only because Russia has made profits from exporting energy. And still energy exports are excluded from sanctions. I would be glad if what is happening were enough to stop Putin. But I am far from convinced that it is enough.
skissane 5y ago
> Putin can have his soldiers killed for months and years. And he seems crazy enough to do it. Can he really? If he upsets too many important and powerful people in Russia, Putin risks being removed in a coup, or assassinated by his own military or intelligence services. If this war drags on for too long, if too many Russians die, if damage to the Russian economy becomes severe, that outcome starts to become a real risk for him.