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It really isn’t, this is not degrading treatment. These people aren’t being paraded around the streets. This is a genuinely useful resource for them and their

by rosndo 5y ago

It really isn’t, this is not degrading treatment. These people aren’t being paraded around the streets. This is a genuinely useful resource for them and their families, a means for parents of Russian soldiers to be able to get on phone with their kids.

chmod775 5y ago
>These people aren’t being paraded around the streets. Sure. They're just being uploaded to YouTube with comments enabled. 4chan's /pol/ already found the Facebook profiles of some of these POWs and are messaging their friends and relatives for fun. I'd rather be paraded down a street.
- rosndo 5y ago
  That’s simply inevitable in modern wars where everybody carries a camera.
  - chmod775 5y ago
    Publishing their full names is quite evitable.
    - rosndo 5y ago
      Publishing their full names is the right and human thing to do. Russian government is not keeping their families informed.
      - chmod775 5y ago
        You can just give them a call, you know. In fact some of them are made to call their family in some of the videos circulating. The right and human thing to do is following the Geneva Convention. You'll have to make a pretty amazing case if you want to argue it should be disregarded in this case. It should be obvious there's better ways to inform families of these POWs, not just because a less public/propaganda way is more respectful, but also because a more direct route is more likely to reach them. But that's obviously not the point. This is pretty standard as propaganda goes and fits neatly with the other narratives that are spun. That can be understood and accepted, but it definitely shouldn't be celebrated.
        rosndo 5y ago
        > That can be understood and accepted, but it definitely shouldn't be celebrated. If you support the Russian government, then sure.
        chmod775 5y ago
        Just because one wants Ukraine to repel the Russian invasion does not mean one has to blindly subscribe to and cheer for any means employed. You are being incredibly disingenuous. In fact you are doing your whole argument a disservice with a comment like that.
        rosndo 5y ago
        Psychological warfare like this hardly deserves criticism. Those who don’t want war in Europe should absolutely cheer for this.
        chmod775 5y ago
        > Psychological warfare like this hardly deserves criticism. I'm glad we now both agree on what this actually is.
        rosndo 5y ago
        Don’t pretend that I’m stupid. Of course this is psychological warfare, but it’s also the right thing to do. Both can be true at the same time.
        throwawaycities 5y ago
        > The right and human thing to do is following the Geneva Convention. What legal precedent do you have that these alleged acts violate international law, norms or customs? I am very familiar with jus ad bellum, jus in bello, war crimes under the Rome Statute and ICC case law, but I am unfamiliar with any legal precedent/case law in support of a position that Russian POWs are being mistreated in violation of any international laws. Assuming you could find some case law on point, I doubt you will, I believe it was Russia themselves who told the United Nations and the UN Security Council that this wasn’t a war but a “special operation.” I’m not exactly sure how Russia would seek application of the laws of war by the international community while simultaneously telling the international community this is not war.
    - throwawaycities 5y ago
      You think it’s a war crime to publish the names of military members?

by rosndo 5y ago

chmod775 5y ago

>These people aren’t being paraded around the streets. Sure. They're just being uploaded to YouTube with comments enabled. 4chan's /pol/ already found the Facebook profiles of some of these POWs and are messaging their friends and relatives for fun. I'd rather be paraded down a street.

rosndo 5y ago
That’s simply inevitable in modern wars where everybody carries a camera.
- chmod775 5y ago
  Publishing their full names is quite evitable.
  - rosndo 5y ago
    Publishing their full names is the right and human thing to do. Russian government is not keeping their families informed.
    - chmod775 5y ago
      You can just give them a call, you know. In fact some of them are made to call their family in some of the videos circulating. The right and human thing to do is following the Geneva Convention. You'll have to make a pretty amazing case if you want to argue it should be disregarded in this case. It should be obvious there's better ways to inform families of these POWs, not just because a less public/propaganda way is more respectful, but also because a more direct route is more likely to reach them. But that's obviously not the point. This is pretty standard as propaganda goes and fits neatly with the other narratives that are spun. That can be understood and accepted, but it definitely shouldn't be celebrated.
      - rosndo 5y ago
        > That can be understood and accepted, but it definitely shouldn't be celebrated. If you support the Russian government, then sure.
        chmod775 5y ago
        Just because one wants Ukraine to repel the Russian invasion does not mean one has to blindly subscribe to and cheer for any means employed. You are being incredibly disingenuous. In fact you are doing your whole argument a disservice with a comment like that.
        rosndo 5y ago
        Psychological warfare like this hardly deserves criticism. Those who don’t want war in Europe should absolutely cheer for this.
        chmod775 5y ago
        > Psychological warfare like this hardly deserves criticism. I'm glad we now both agree on what this actually is.
        rosndo 5y ago
        Don’t pretend that I’m stupid. Of course this is psychological warfare, but it’s also the right thing to do. Both can be true at the same time.
      - throwawaycities 5y ago
        > The right and human thing to do is following the Geneva Convention. What legal precedent do you have that these alleged acts violate international law, norms or customs? I am very familiar with jus ad bellum, jus in bello, war crimes under the Rome Statute and ICC case law, but I am unfamiliar with any legal precedent/case law in support of a position that Russian POWs are being mistreated in violation of any international laws. Assuming you could find some case law on point, I doubt you will, I believe it was Russia themselves who told the United Nations and the UN Security Council that this wasn’t a war but a “special operation.” I’m not exactly sure how Russia would seek application of the laws of war by the international community while simultaneously telling the international community this is not war.
  - throwawaycities 5y ago
    You think it’s a war crime to publish the names of military members?