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Why would anyone send money to a foreign country army? You elect your politicians to do that for you using taxes.

by karol 5y ago

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cbg0 5y ago
What you elect your politicians to do and what they do are often not overlapping. Regular people are driving to the border here in Romania to help out refugees and donate food/clothing/medicine because the government isn't doing enough. Everyone is free to choose if and how they want to help (or not).
actuator 5y ago
Maybe you think your goverment should be doing more than it is. For instance, we don't know if Germans were really happy that their country wasn't even onboard supplying arms to Ukraine till yesterday. Hiroshi Mikitani, founder of Rakuten gave $8.7 million to Ukraine. Maybe he thought his government is not doing enough. So, even ordinary citizens might feel the same.
- schroeding 5y ago
  German here: Yes, not happy, quite furious, sent them a bit of money via bitcoin. Not only has Germany not supplied weapons until yesterday, it has even prevented other NATO countries from sending them weapons that they received from Germany in the 1990s. Thankfully our government finally caved in yesterday.
  - novaRom 5y ago
    What can happen if this monster will start loosing? I fear very much he will not hesitate to press the red button. It is foolish to think he is not ready, just listen what he said about nuclear weapons before. Now, totally isolated, with destroyed economy, without people's support anymore.
    - Gud 5y ago
      Let's hope the people lower in the chain of command will do the reasonable thing and refuse the order.
    - abandonliberty 5y ago
      He will keep playing this card as long as it keeps working. Appeasement with a power like him is not an effective long-term strategy.
- periheli0n 5y ago
  > don't know if Germans were really happy that their country wasn't even onboard supplying arms to Ukraine till yesterday. I guess Germany was under pressure from Putin regarding their gas dependency from Russia. The decision to deliver weapons after all was also a decision to accept Gas prices rising 10x fold next winter. Germans will pay quite dearly, since most of them use gas for heating.
  - mudita 5y ago
    Yes, Germany was under pressure - and Germans including me were disgusted that our politicians caved in to that pressure, when another European country is getting invaded and so much more is on the line.
    - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
      I just find it a bit ironic (in a very sad way) that Germany and Russia switched places with regard to what happened ~80 years ago. My brainwashed Russian relatives think that their army is there to "protect" the population from the "modern Nazi", all the while not being able to see that their self-appointed czar is the actual Nazi (which I don't think is an exaggeration anymore).
    - periheli0n 5y ago
      To be fair: once Putin invaded, Germany came around. What many Germans don’t seem to realise yet is the massive changes they are in for. Some consequences are evident already now, e.g. gas rationing next winter. Many other, still hidden consequences will emerge in the next four weeks as the sanctions kick in. German and Russian economic ties went deep, their rupture will not come easy. The price might be worth paying but I hope all those Germans who were angry at their government for not delivering weapons sooner will accept those consequences with the same enthusiasm.
      - janto 5y ago
        That anger should be directed towards those that ignored and strengthened ties to Putin and his friends. There are many risks when supporting an autocratic regime. Germans will see these risks play out.
lottin 5y ago
Because we want to help them.
5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
I sent a small sum because you don't "elect" politicians in my country. Additionally, the government is currently between a rock and a hard place — they don't openly condemn the invasion, and, being highly dependent on Russia (which hopefully is going to diminish greatly in the coming years), cannot send any help to Ukraine. Otherwise, we will be next.

Why would anyone send money to a foreign country army? You elect your politicians to do that for you using taxes.

by karol 5y ago

Why would anyone send money to a foreign country army? You elect your politicians to do that for you using taxes.

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cbg0 5y ago

What you elect your politicians to do and what they do are often not overlapping. Regular people are driving to the border here in Romania to help out refugees and donate food/clothing/medicine because the government isn't doing enough. Everyone is free to choose if and how they want to help (or not).

actuator 5y ago

Maybe you think your goverment should be doing more than it is. For instance, we don't know if Germans were really happy that their country wasn't even onboard supplying arms to Ukraine till yesterday. Hiroshi Mikitani, founder of Rakuten gave $8.7 million to Ukraine. Maybe he thought his government is not doing enough. So, even ordinary citizens might feel the same.

schroeding 5y ago
German here: Yes, not happy, quite furious, sent them a bit of money via bitcoin. Not only has Germany not supplied weapons until yesterday, it has even prevented other NATO countries from sending them weapons that they received from Germany in the 1990s. Thankfully our government finally caved in yesterday.
- novaRom 5y ago
  What can happen if this monster will start loosing? I fear very much he will not hesitate to press the red button. It is foolish to think he is not ready, just listen what he said about nuclear weapons before. Now, totally isolated, with destroyed economy, without people's support anymore.
  - Gud 5y ago
    Let's hope the people lower in the chain of command will do the reasonable thing and refuse the order.
  - abandonliberty 5y ago
    He will keep playing this card as long as it keeps working. Appeasement with a power like him is not an effective long-term strategy.
periheli0n 5y ago
> don't know if Germans were really happy that their country wasn't even onboard supplying arms to Ukraine till yesterday. I guess Germany was under pressure from Putin regarding their gas dependency from Russia. The decision to deliver weapons after all was also a decision to accept Gas prices rising 10x fold next winter. Germans will pay quite dearly, since most of them use gas for heating.
- mudita 5y ago
  Yes, Germany was under pressure - and Germans including me were disgusted that our politicians caved in to that pressure, when another European country is getting invaded and so much more is on the line.
  - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
    I just find it a bit ironic (in a very sad way) that Germany and Russia switched places with regard to what happened ~80 years ago. My brainwashed Russian relatives think that their army is there to "protect" the population from the "modern Nazi", all the while not being able to see that their self-appointed czar is the actual Nazi (which I don't think is an exaggeration anymore).
  - periheli0n 5y ago
    To be fair: once Putin invaded, Germany came around. What many Germans don’t seem to realise yet is the massive changes they are in for. Some consequences are evident already now, e.g. gas rationing next winter. Many other, still hidden consequences will emerge in the next four weeks as the sanctions kick in. German and Russian economic ties went deep, their rupture will not come easy. The price might be worth paying but I hope all those Germans who were angry at their government for not delivering weapons sooner will accept those consequences with the same enthusiasm.
    - janto 5y ago
      That anger should be directed towards those that ignored and strengthened ties to Putin and his friends. There are many risks when supporting an autocratic regime. Germans will see these risks play out.

lottin 5y ago

Because we want to help them.

5e92cb50239222b 5y ago

I sent a small sum because you don't "elect" politicians in my country. Additionally, the government is currently between a rock and a hard place — they don't openly condemn the invasion, and, being highly dependent on Russia (which hopefully is going to diminish greatly in the coming years), cannot send any help to Ukraine. Otherwise, we will be next.