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So if Ukraine falls, what will happen to these funds?

by throwaway4good 5y ago

vincentmarle 5y ago
Just contact customer service they’ll refund you within 5 business days…
drran 5y ago
It's a wire transfer, not a physical. Numbers will be reset.
bsd44 5y ago
- tlarkworthy 5y ago
  >as is the case with any charity it's not a charity, its on a .gov.ua website and its the national bank. This is going to the gov/military.
- cbg0 5y ago
  > as is the case with any charity in times of crisis This is a very tinfoil-hat generalization.
  - bsd44 5y ago
    It's more likely that you are being naive, to be politically correct. There hasn't been a single time of crisis in the recorded history where donations hadn't been stolen (and sometimes victims even being abused and exploited). From earthquakes, tsunamis, famine, wars...none of the campaigns went without an incident. Ukraine is receiving military support from the entire NATO sphere. They can't shoot with your donations and they can't make any purchases either, so guess where the money is likely to end up. That's why I said if you want to donate then do so, but don't ask where the money is going because if you do that you won't donate ever again.
throwaway290 5y ago
Since you ask that, here's an option which seems to support Ukrainian defence without sending money to Ukrainian entities (edit: well, in this case it is the Ukrainian embassy in Czech Republic, so don't know if that helps): https://supportukraine.cz/en.html https://supportukraine.cz/en.html
- avnigo 5y ago
  However, I don't see any indication other than the links at the bottom that this isn't just some random scam site from a throwaway account.
  - throwaway290 5y ago
    I did a quick verification on my own, but it's not final, and I wrote "seems to". 1. Domain registration points to Ondrej Filip, allegedly CEO of CZ.NIC who reposts links from Ukrainian embassy in Czech Republic. Not clear if it matters if WHOIS privacy is on. 2. Email and URL match those of the Ukrainian embassy in Czech Republic. I am trying to reach out to them and confirm. Phone numbers listed on czechia.mfa.gov.ua are not picking up and I don't want to occupy the life and death support hotline. 3. Awkward web design was not an indicator to me, considering the page must have been launched in haste. Cross-check help would be appreciated. If you find the site untrustworthy, I will reply to the source where I saw this link posted ASAP. I won't dox my main HN account on this topic. If you have any doubts, donate via UNHCR's Ukraine emergency page (Google it, since you should not trust the direct link I post if you think I’m a scammer). It supports refugees, but not military action. Edited.
    - avnigo 5y ago
      Thanks for the followup. I didn't call you out as a scammer necessarily, just that there are many opportunistic people who look to profit in times of crisis by exploiting people's good nature, so just warning people to keep their wits and verify. Edit: I looked into it and it's also linked in a post from the official Embassy of Ukraine in Prague page on Facebook too [0]. Thanks for the info. [0]: https://www.facebook.com/UkraineEmbassyinCzechia/posts/4939334949493113 https://www.facebook.com/UkraineEmbassyinCzechia/posts/49393...
skissane 5y ago
Ukraine as a whole is not falling. Russia might succeed in taking Kyiv, but it seems far less likely they’ll ever succeed in taking Lviv, which is where the Ukrainian war effort is effectively being directed from. President Zelensky remains in Kyiv for morale reasons, but Lviv has become the de facto Ukrainian capital. And Lviv is only 70 km from the Polish border, and so has easy supply lines to NATO territory, plus Russia will be very wary of bringing the fighting too close to the border with NATO given the risk that any fighting there might spill over the border and lead to NATO becoming directly involved in the war.
- usr1106 5y ago
  Don't count on NATO. Putin has said if any other country interfers there will be consequences never seen be before. Remember, he has nuclear weapons to destroy the planet many times.
  - philliphaydon 5y ago
    NATO is already helping with supplies and such. They just can’t get involved directly with their own soldiers and such.
    - usr1106 5y ago
      Supplies won't hinder Russia to invade Lviv. Morale and coordinated action of the Ukrainian army are needed for that. Remember that the Ukrainian army is rather young. They started mobilization this week. Russia has years of fighting experience, not alone from Syria. I certainly sympathize with Ukraine, but I am not convinced that they can stop the massively stronger aggressor. Edit: Russian troops are not very efficient and morale might be questionable in some parts. But Putin does not care how many of them die. He has hundreds of thousands more.
      - philliphaydon 5y ago
        Russia said they would take the capital in 3 hours. It’s now day 4. People need to stop underestimating the people of Ukraine.

So if Ukraine falls, what will happen to these funds?

vincentmarle 5y ago

Just contact customer service they’ll refund you within 5 business days…

drran 5y ago

It's a wire transfer, not a physical. Numbers will be reset.

bsd44 5y ago

tlarkworthy 5y ago
>as is the case with any charity it's not a charity, its on a .gov.ua website and its the national bank. This is going to the gov/military.
cbg0 5y ago
> as is the case with any charity in times of crisis This is a very tinfoil-hat generalization.
- bsd44 5y ago
  It's more likely that you are being naive, to be politically correct. There hasn't been a single time of crisis in the recorded history where donations hadn't been stolen (and sometimes victims even being abused and exploited). From earthquakes, tsunamis, famine, wars...none of the campaigns went without an incident. Ukraine is receiving military support from the entire NATO sphere. They can't shoot with your donations and they can't make any purchases either, so guess where the money is likely to end up. That's why I said if you want to donate then do so, but don't ask where the money is going because if you do that you won't donate ever again.

throwaway290 5y ago

Since you ask that, here's an option which seems to support Ukrainian defence without sending money to Ukrainian entities (edit: well, in this case it is the Ukrainian embassy in Czech Republic, so don't know if that helps): https://supportukraine.cz/en.html https://supportukraine.cz/en.html

avnigo 5y ago
However, I don't see any indication other than the links at the bottom that this isn't just some random scam site from a throwaway account.
- throwaway290 5y ago
  I did a quick verification on my own, but it's not final, and I wrote "seems to". 1. Domain registration points to Ondrej Filip, allegedly CEO of CZ.NIC who reposts links from Ukrainian embassy in Czech Republic. Not clear if it matters if WHOIS privacy is on. 2. Email and URL match those of the Ukrainian embassy in Czech Republic. I am trying to reach out to them and confirm. Phone numbers listed on czechia.mfa.gov.ua are not picking up and I don't want to occupy the life and death support hotline. 3. Awkward web design was not an indicator to me, considering the page must have been launched in haste. Cross-check help would be appreciated. If you find the site untrustworthy, I will reply to the source where I saw this link posted ASAP. I won't dox my main HN account on this topic. If you have any doubts, donate via UNHCR's Ukraine emergency page (Google it, since you should not trust the direct link I post if you think I’m a scammer). It supports refugees, but not military action. Edited.
  - avnigo 5y ago
    Thanks for the followup. I didn't call you out as a scammer necessarily, just that there are many opportunistic people who look to profit in times of crisis by exploiting people's good nature, so just warning people to keep their wits and verify. Edit: I looked into it and it's also linked in a post from the official Embassy of Ukraine in Prague page on Facebook too [0]. Thanks for the info. [0]: https://www.facebook.com/UkraineEmbassyinCzechia/posts/4939334949493113 https://www.facebook.com/UkraineEmbassyinCzechia/posts/49393...

skissane 5y ago

Ukraine as a whole is not falling. Russia might succeed in taking Kyiv, but it seems far less likely they’ll ever succeed in taking Lviv, which is where the Ukrainian war effort is effectively being directed from. President Zelensky remains in Kyiv for morale reasons, but Lviv has become the de facto Ukrainian capital. And Lviv is only 70 km from the Polish border, and so has easy supply lines to NATO territory, plus Russia will be very wary of bringing the fighting too close to the border with NATO given the risk that any fighting there might spill over the border and lead to NATO becoming directly involved in the war.

usr1106 5y ago
Don't count on NATO. Putin has said if any other country interfers there will be consequences never seen be before. Remember, he has nuclear weapons to destroy the planet many times.
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  NATO is already helping with supplies and such. They just can’t get involved directly with their own soldiers and such.
  - usr1106 5y ago
    Supplies won't hinder Russia to invade Lviv. Morale and coordinated action of the Ukrainian army are needed for that. Remember that the Ukrainian army is rather young. They started mobilization this week. Russia has years of fighting experience, not alone from Syria. I certainly sympathize with Ukraine, but I am not convinced that they can stop the massively stronger aggressor. Edit: Russian troops are not very efficient and morale might be questionable in some parts. But Putin does not care how many of them die. He has hundreds of thousands more.
    - philliphaydon 5y ago
      Russia said they would take the capital in 3 hours. It’s now day 4. People need to stop underestimating the people of Ukraine.