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you should look at javeline specs (Top Attack: 164 yd (150 m) Direct Attack: 71 yd (65 m)) and nlaw specs (minimum 20m?). do you find them long ? also kyiv is

by tguvot 5y ago

you should look at javeline specs (Top Attack: 164 yd (150 m) Direct Attack: 71 yd (65 m)) and nlaw specs (minimum 20m?). do you find them long ? also kyiv is built from very long and very wide streets (i was born there). if you have enough javelins/nlaw, it will be not too different from shooting range in urban environment

dogma1138 5y ago
It’s not just the minimum attack range it’s other factors too. Javelin or any ATGM with DFA doesn’t like power lines. Line of sight can also be a problem. IR seekers are more difficult to use due to interference from other IR sources. Wire guided missiles don’t like urban environments either fences, power lines etc. Wireless guided missiles actually do get interference from WiFi. Then you have the tactical issues. Fear of collateral damage, fewer firing positions which make your actions more predicable etc, and due to the nature of the urban environment you have much fewer enemy vehicles exposed at any time. It’s not that ATGMs become totally useless it’s just that they aren’t nearly as useful as on an open battlefield.
- tguvot 5y ago
  take a drive through kyiv on google street (if it's there) starting with areas where currently russians try to get to downtown.
  - tim333 5y ago
    I was looking on streetview eg https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4511906,30.5154931,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNgQPWUXR6Ojf8WJbFyNp0YbqxqtFN2QZhbmmc!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNgQPWUXR6Ojf8WJbFyNp0YbqxqtFN2QZhbmmc%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0.69957024-ya315.23755-ro0.056846417-fo100!7i7680!8i3840 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4511906,30.5154931,3a,75y,... and it seems fairly open. If I was a tank driver I wouldn't count on a couple of power lines saving me from missiles.
    - tguvot 5y ago
      there are no powerlines in city. everything is underground iirc. if you see any lines it's power for trams

by tguvot 5y ago

dogma1138 5y ago

It’s not just the minimum attack range it’s other factors too. Javelin or any ATGM with DFA doesn’t like power lines. Line of sight can also be a problem. IR seekers are more difficult to use due to interference from other IR sources. Wire guided missiles don’t like urban environments either fences, power lines etc. Wireless guided missiles actually do get interference from WiFi. Then you have the tactical issues. Fear of collateral damage, fewer firing positions which make your actions more predicable etc, and due to the nature of the urban environment you have much fewer enemy vehicles exposed at any time. It’s not that ATGMs become totally useless it’s just that they aren’t nearly as useful as on an open battlefield.

tguvot 5y ago
take a drive through kyiv on google street (if it's there) starting with areas where currently russians try to get to downtown.
- tim333 5y ago
  I was looking on streetview eg https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4511906,30.5154931,3a,75y,180h,90t/data=!3m8!1e1!3m6!1sAF1QipNgQPWUXR6Ojf8WJbFyNp0YbqxqtFN2QZhbmmc!2e10!3e11!6shttps:%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipNgQPWUXR6Ojf8WJbFyNp0YbqxqtFN2QZhbmmc%3Dw203-h100-k-no-pi-0.69957024-ya315.23755-ro0.056846417-fo100!7i7680!8i3840 https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.4511906,30.5154931,3a,75y,... and it seems fairly open. If I was a tank driver I wouldn't count on a couple of power lines saving me from missiles.
  - tguvot 5y ago
    there are no powerlines in city. everything is underground iirc. if you see any lines it's power for trams