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How is that any different from some 19yo kid from a opioid infested family in Midwest going to Europe or Middle East in the name of democracy? Do you think thos

How is that any different from some 19yo kid from a opioid infested family in Midwest going to Europe or Middle East in the name of democracy? Do you think those kids know what they are doing? I think the point of having a serf like population is to allow having a growing military with the elites of the society making the decisions. It goes for ALL countries.

0dayz 5y ago
I really don't get this comment, opioid and serf? I would imagine democratic countries do tell their soldiers what they are fighting against and where otherwise thats a strategic failure.
cuteboy19 5y ago
An important characteristic of propaganda is whataboutism. Consider why you would want to talk about some random US war instead of something that is happening right now? No one is immune to propaganda
- mercy_dude 5y ago
  You want to talk about what aboutism and propaganda? Right this very moment, there are more than 5 active conflicts going on. Myanmar, South Sudan, Syria, Mali, Lydia. Yet the only reason we seem to care about Ukraine so much is because somehow our American media has convinced us it’s the Democracy that’s at stake. Talk about propaganda. Go figure!
  - weaksauce 5y ago
    > You want to talk about what aboutism and propaganda? Right this very moment, there are more than 5 active conflicts going on. Myanmar, South Sudan, Syria, Mali, Lydia. Yet the only reason we seem to care about Ukraine so much is because somehow our American media has convinced us it’s the Democracy that’s at stake. Talk about propaganda. Go figure! because those are all internal conflicts that don't involve nuclear superpowers next to other parties that would trigger a NATO retaliatory strike and likely world war iii.
BbzzbB 5y ago
I'm not American (hello from Canada, born in ex-Yugoslavia), but that's silly. You don't get the difference between a conscript and an enlisted soldier? Ask my father if it was propaganda made him chose to defend some warlord's front or if it was armed soldiers forcing him to under threat of desertion. In the instance of these Russian conscripts, it could've been an extension of their mandatory 12-month training rather than a knock on the door, but it's still armed soldiers that made sure they didn't desert. I truly dislike the way America promotes enlisting like some cool Activision game (the ads are truly jarring from the outside looking in), but the difference is no less black and white.
weaksauce 5y ago
> How is that any different from some 19yo kid from a opioid infested family in Midwest going to Europe or Middle East in the name of democracy? Do you think those kids know what they are doing? mandatory conscription vs a decision and desire to join? is that really not clear?

0dayz 5y ago

I really don't get this comment, opioid and serf? I would imagine democratic countries do tell their soldiers what they are fighting against and where otherwise thats a strategic failure.

cuteboy19 5y ago

An important characteristic of propaganda is whataboutism. Consider why you would want to talk about some random US war instead of something that is happening right now? No one is immune to propaganda

mercy_dude 5y ago
You want to talk about what aboutism and propaganda? Right this very moment, there are more than 5 active conflicts going on. Myanmar, South Sudan, Syria, Mali, Lydia. Yet the only reason we seem to care about Ukraine so much is because somehow our American media has convinced us it’s the Democracy that’s at stake. Talk about propaganda. Go figure!
- weaksauce 5y ago
  > You want to talk about what aboutism and propaganda? Right this very moment, there are more than 5 active conflicts going on. Myanmar, South Sudan, Syria, Mali, Lydia. Yet the only reason we seem to care about Ukraine so much is because somehow our American media has convinced us it’s the Democracy that’s at stake. Talk about propaganda. Go figure! because those are all internal conflicts that don't involve nuclear superpowers next to other parties that would trigger a NATO retaliatory strike and likely world war iii.

BbzzbB 5y ago

I'm not American (hello from Canada, born in ex-Yugoslavia), but that's silly. You don't get the difference between a conscript and an enlisted soldier? Ask my father if it was propaganda made him chose to defend some warlord's front or if it was armed soldiers forcing him to under threat of desertion. In the instance of these Russian conscripts, it could've been an extension of their mandatory 12-month training rather than a knock on the door, but it's still armed soldiers that made sure they didn't desert. I truly dislike the way America promotes enlisting like some cool Activision game (the ads are truly jarring from the outside looking in), but the difference is no less black and white.

weaksauce 5y ago

> How is that any different from some 19yo kid from a opioid infested family in Midwest going to Europe or Middle East in the name of democracy? Do you think those kids know what they are doing? mandatory conscription vs a decision and desire to join? is that really not clear?